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WHY are people embracing these kind of people and these kind of solutions?
Calling them "stupid" makes you feel smart until the world collapses in front of you. Something is happening to make a LOT of people choose wacko dictators to lead their countries and overthrow their constitutions.
I believe speed of change in society has increased to the point where people are afraid, like literally scared, and technology has moved ahead so quickly that again they don't understand it and they're afraid. They don't trust the people who are titularly in charge of the transition and they feel powerless to enact change.
And somebody comes along and says I'm going to tear the whole damn thing down and they get excited and jump behind them.
All of those things you just wrote are symptomatic of lower intelligence. It's not judgmental to say that most people are pretty stupid. We all have our moments of course, but most people are stupid when it comes to political ideology. Most people don't know what the words populism, socialism, capitalism, fascism, communism, or democracy actually mean. You can see this anytime someone unironically calls something "literally 1984".
Poor education and ultimately lack of trust. Distrust in our institutions, our fellow citizens, fellow humans, has been sewn for decades. The undercurrent of fear that propels these figures into power can't be overstated. People need to stop being so fucking afraid of each other... easier said than done.
Lead poisoning.
Also, what nerd, after being stuffed in a locker by the middle school football captain, hasn't wondered why he's the one with the entourage.
People are shallow and act like idiots. It's a sad reality. Sometimes there's enough of those people to act as a successful voting bloc.
Combo of several things.
Lead poisoning making people stupider and angrier.
Progressive politics meaning straight white men lose there power so they have negative reactions to anything progressive/woke.
The internet has allowed people that would otherwise be ostracised from their communities for being stupid and or arseholes, can now just form their own communities, which makes them feel justified in their stupidity.
The media being owned a handful of super rich arseholes that have had decades to perfect turning it into a vehicle for propaganda.
Social media making people feel like because they have a soapbox that their opinion is just as valid or even more as anyone else's, even if those people are experts. And clout culture making people do or say whatever they think will get them the most internet attention/money even if they don't believe it.
And probably a whole host of other elements as well.
Came here to say lead poisoning! Happy other people get it.
That point is very American centric but it’s telling that that’s the only part you want to engage with, going so far as to misrepresent their position.
They said it was part of the problem, not “all the fault of” as you said.
Are you purposely being a troll or are you just actually that stupid?
Either way I'll humour you.
My comment was a general statement made from experience in majority white western countries. In countries that aren't majority white, then its obviously slightly different. But the main takeaway is that political movements that seek to equalise power imbalances are going to piss off the people that tradionally held that power, as instinctual people don't like having their power reduced.
And on Brazil specifically 47% of Brazil is white mostly die to Portuguese colonisation, and those white people have a disproportionate amount of power compared to non whites in Brazil. So yes, even in Brazil white people have privilege.
I'm saying what is their fault? Who is talking about fault?
Yes, white people in a post colonial nation inherently have some privilege. Or are you going to argue that colonialism didn't favour white people? Because I really wouldn't put it past you. Like to give you the 101 of institutional racism, even though I feel at this point that you've made up your mind that "privilege doesn't exist" and no amount of reason will get you to change that. Taking colonialism racism and slavery existing, being a bad thing and favouring the European settlers as an axiom. Then even if you assume that racism has been """solved""" then the white people that benefited from that wealth will have passed down that wealth and often power to the kids and grandkids, so now you have a situation where the white population has still benefited from racism despite not directly taking part in it.
I am a white man and because I come from a piss-poor family it took me a while to understand the concept of privilege too, until I got a better understanding of European Piss-poor versus global piss-poor and then it clicked that even poor white people like me still benefited from slavery and institutional racism.
You seem to be deliberately misconstruing their point to say something they aren't, or completely misunderstanding. They at no point said white people inherit racial original sin. They did say that other people claim that, which winds up driving some white people to spaces where they are celebrated, which in turn bolsters far-right nutjob dictators.
190 countries, maybe it would be surprising if there wasn't one of those types showing up a year?