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If it's only a 2-hour flight, there's probably a better way to get there.
As somebody who flights today a 2h flight....
checks map again
13h hours car drive (without stops so probably more)
checks public transport
11h 30 in train with at least 4 or more trains changes....
Nope.... Still faster by plane, well unless they cancel it or similar ..
Flight is airport to airport. You neither live or reside at either airport. Measure door to door for a more accurate comparison, I don't fly from my driveway to my destinations back garden when I get a plane. I have to gget to the airport on a train, check in, go through security, wait for delays, wait at baggage collection and get a cab on the other side.
It's not going to change the outcome but if you're going to use numbers to measure a difference, try to consider all the facts.
Oh yeah sure.
In my case even adding the time on airport reaching it etc and even with my shitty connections as I live in a small town still much less. Of course that changes if there is a cancellation or similar.
And those numbers I provided was the car/train from big city to big city near airport of departure and arrival. Not the towns I end up going to, because they are much less.communciqted and adds more time.
It's much cheaper for an average person to fly from Slovakia to London than to go through, like 3 countries by train/car and in the tunnel/on a ferry.
If money is your only consideration when travelling 700miles (about how far 2h flight usually is) then I don't consider you a reasonable and functional member of society, especially if you're travelling with others.
Please consider your effect on the environment when travelling, cars can take a lot more than one person.
London to Marseille is a 2h flight (probably 5-6h if you include door to door airport travel and waiting) but driving takes just under 12h. If you say you can't afford the cost of the ferry, then consider why are you getting a plane in the first place?
Small compromises can be made to make the world a better place, so remember you have options.
Holy shit. Did you think for ever a split second before typing that comment?
Money, for most people who are not well off, IS THE BIGGEST CONSIDERSTION.
I am not a functioning member of society, if I can't afford to spare multiple times amount of money and time to lug myself, in my shitty car for 18+ hours or in public transportation for 22+ hours to see MY FAMILY like once every 2 years.
Because it's individuals who caused global warming, right? Not the corporations, who knew of it for decades and didn't give a shit in pursuit of higher profits.
I seriously hope this is a troll and you are not actually that idiotic and/or smug.
HOLY SHIT, did you even think before replying to my comment?
Why are you flying between cities if you can't afford to eat your breakfast in the morning. You're a fucking comic
If you take all the individuals off this planet there will be no global warming, don't cope yourself behind major corporations. They are run by individuals you moron. Individuals which would lower their plane fleet if the demand reduced.
You're a deluded cop out kid which isn't worth anyone's time
You are fucking pathetic.
If you think I am such a monster for seeing MY FUCKING FAMILY every 2 years thats your problem. Not mine.
Perhaps yours doesn't love you enough for you to want to visit them.
You are a complete fucking moron who has no idea what the fuck you are even talking about. Its morons like you who give climate activists a bad rep.
Go eat a bag of dicks
When I checked just now it's 13 hours.
That's a lot and you shouldn't drive for that long uninterrupted.
The train apparently takes 7 hours which is much more reasonable.
And of course cost matters.
Btw that trip to London from where I live is either a 2 hour flight or 22-23 hours with train/car
"If you can't afford to go to your brother's funeral by car, but can afford a plane ticket, you're a waste to civilization and should be put down!"
Yep exactly what I said, to the letter!
Not in the U.S, generally
Oslo-Trondheim is either 7 hour drive or a 45 min flight. Not everyone are blessed with flat countries and fast trains.
Terrible comparison. Door to door with up to four people and baggage it's a 7h drive, that 45min flght is not door to door..
My nearest airport is 30 mins to the train station, 15mins walk to the lobby 60mins in check-in, 60mins contingency waiting at the gate, then 45mins flight which is probably delayed 15 mins. Then another 15 mins waiting to get off the plane, then 20mins waiting for baggage and another 60mins to get to your destination.
Yes it's probably still faster, but don't try to compare a flight to a drive in the way you just did lol
Also thanks for fucking our environment to save yourself 2-3h
It's 45min flight + 40 min bus to the airport + ~30 min wait for on boarding (not a lot of security theater/long queues). Let's add another 40 min for takeoff and getting my luggage. 40 min bus from the airport to Oslo for a total of 3 hours and 15 min.
It's literally more time on the bus than on the plane, especially for those of us who don't live in Oslo and need to take the bus for even longer.
If I were to be realistic with the drive, I would add another hour to the drive as you'll likely want to stop to eat during the drive. That's half the time of what it takes to drive.
I'll drive during the summer since I can stop halfway through and take a short hike in the mountains before continuing, but during the winter you run the risk of the roads getting shut down if the weather is bad over the mountains.
You're welcome, I'm sure those 2 flights per year by someone who doesn't even own a car and probably never will is ruining the environment lmao.
Yeah my point wasn't that it's faster to drive, my point was your original comparison was unfair.
What you've described is far more accurate representation of the choices and their durations.
You ended up multiplying your "time it takes on the plane" by over four times. It went from "45m" to "3h15m" which was the main point I wanted to get at.
Secondly, it is an undeniable fact that flying has a larger effect on the environment per person than driving even a shitty old car. Don't try to cop out, the least you can do is own it and say "so what". Remember this next time you fly (2 per year alone is a lot btw).
I'm not going to try to argue what choices you should make, just be educated in the effect of those choices.
I feel like the added time to and from the airport is something everyone are aware of, it's pretty much the same regardless of flight time. The flight is still a 45 min flight. I don't work for "big air flight", so I don't have anything to gain on convincing someone that flying is more time effective for certain trips.
In what world is 2 flights per year a lot? It's a single round-trip.
My buddy who works as a robotics mechanic flies every month for his work, my old man working off-shore flies 4 times every month. Your typical family/couple will take a trip or two on vacation every year. I feel like the odd one out since I got a cabin where I spend my vacation instead of seeing the world.
I'm not trying to "cop out", why would I make excuses for strangers on the internet? I don't feel any guilt for what's a literal drop in the ocean. There are other glaring issues that I'm more concerned about than flight traffic. If you hold a different opinion that's fine and I'm happy to hear it.
I'm purely sharing my opinion on a site dedicated for that. It's a good way to get perspective and opinions from people across cultures and at different stages of life.
There is indeed in most of the world, in the form of intercity and high speed rail. There used to be the former in a way bigger proportion of North America than there is now.
If I find out my mother is dying and I want to make it there before she dies, I'd rather take a two-hour flight than a seven-hour drive.
So no, not always.
So, just take the flight in the rare case that it's an emergency, and otherwise check if there's a better option
We cannot have airlines that exist purely for emergencies unless they are so cost-prohibitive that they are only usable by the rich. In order to have airplanes criss-crossing the world for that purpose, they have to work on a regular basis.
That is not a tenable way to do things.
Or at least, there really should be