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Courts Strike Down Gun Control Measures in Two States
(www.nytimes.com)
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Why do you think law abiding citizens should be subjected to waiting periods to exercise their constitutional rights?
The constitutional right to acquire arms immediately and without precondition, I see. Just like the constitutional right to say anything, at any time, without any consequences.
This doesn't remove all background checks, so "immediately and without precondition" is facetious.
I agree with not selling weapons to known maniacs, but I also believe that if the govt knows someone's dangerous enough that they shouldn't own a gun for self defense, they already should have been removed from the general population and arrested/imprisoned etc, as they are still very dangerous to the general population without said firearm.
Same way as law abiding citizens need to wait 21 years, goes through firearm training, and gone through background check to exercise their constitutional rights. If 30 days is such a long time to wait and considered unconstitutional, why not lower the age requirement to 12 years old? Why need firearm training? Why need background check?
That's what Republicans want. No gun control regulations at all. Anyone, according to them, should be able to buy a gun at any age at any time anywhere.
Why do you think law abiding citizens should be gassed, arrested and shot at for exercising their constitutional right to petition the government against grievances? Because Trump sure enjoyed doing those things and he says he's going to do it even more if he gets re-elected. And then there's the Republican love of cruel and unusual punishments. And, of course, there's Mike Johnson and other Republicans denying that there is or should be a separation between church and state.
Seems like maybe the people who are supposed to protect your constitutional right to own a gun don't really care about other constitutional rights.
Point out the part of my comment where I said that
What a lot of whataboutism. I'm against all of that, too, but I can also be against limits on my rights of self defense.
So do you vote for the people who promise to protect your gun rights at all cost or do you vote for the people who feel there needs to be sensible gun regulations?
I don't vote for the people you're talking about
What is the point of voting for anyone else? What do you achieve?
What's the point of voting for the two choices you hate when there are other choices?
Because those are the only two choices that have a chance of winning. Now please answer my question. What are you achieving?
A better question is what are you achieving? Voting against your own interests
Now you see the crux of the issue it seems, on either side someone is attacking the right to something, there is no champion of all rights, everyone wants to control their neighbor.
Seems to me like one is championing ending all of those rights and the other isn't.
Well you'd be wrong, sorry dude.
Would I though?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Yes. Both clearly seek to limit different civil liberties, and supporters of each fight about why what they want to limit isn't actually a civil liberty.
Please show me the Democratic Party's equivalent to Project 2025.
Or did you not even read it?
Are you denying that the democrat party seeks to limit the right to bear arms? Because by being purposefully obtuse and attempting to deflect (which appears to be your typical MO), you seem to be saying that.
Yes, I know, one side seeks to regulate firearms like they were regulated for pretty much all of the 19th century and the other seeks to violate the Constitution in every way possible. No different.
I guess it's just a question of how much infringement on rights you support. You support "some." I do not.
You still haven't given me the equivalent plan of Project 2025 that the Democrats have. Can't imagine why...
I never claimed they had one, I claimed they also are attempting to limit other rights, and this little deflection of yours is adorable but irrelevant, so yes I ignore it.
"Limit" vs. "take away entirely." Interesting.
"Just get stabbed a few times VS get murdered." Interesting.
Lol yes clearly one is worse, but both are bad choices, you dingleberry.
And now that you've decided to resort to insults, there is no reason to continue this conversation. I am not interested in uncivil conversation.
There wasn't a reason to continue when you resorted to deflection, which is all you're capable of it seems.
Because it makes the world safer. Same reason you need a fence around a pool, even though the pursuit of happiness is protected by the constitution (for me, happiness is unbridled access to a pool).
That's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
Oh so you have no idea what you're talking about and have no business publically sharing opinions on this, or really any aspect of the Constitution. You simply don't have the requisite knowledge to be credible.
Don’t worry, I vote ;)
It shows.
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This a stupid argument. The right isn't to just have guns.
It's to have guns whilst being a member of a militia that trains regularly and only for the purpose of protecting state security.
That's literally what the text says.
All that extra shit you are adding to the right is stuff made up by charlatans. And I guess it worked, because they sure fooled you.
Have you read the constitution? It literally does not say it's only for the purpose of protecting the state
The problem with the world today is that we have illiterates like you voting.
I'm an attorney so I think you're basically illiterate in comparison. Why don't you go read it again, you absolute donkey. Tell us all why a militia is even necessary in the eyes of the framers. The text on this could not be more clear.
Second Amendment True Purpose Revealed: True Secret the Framers Don't Want You to Know
"the security of a free state"You can wait, bud. In OR it's already a ~2 week wait to pick one up from an FFL, it didn't affect me in the slightest. It's clear we need more in-depth preprocessing before granting weapon ownership. It's a deadly item, just like a car is. You gotta register and have a license and all this shit before you can hit the road. Whats the diff?
Also, you actually have to wait to exercise lots of constitutional rights. What you gonna advocate for voting whenever the fuck you want? It's our constitutional right after all!
The issue you should have with any of this is with licensing it likely puts a financial barrier to that same constitutional right.
The car argument is not good. Anyone can buy and operate a car immediately on private property without any interference from government in the US.
Wrong.
Commerce clause.
The car has already been subjected to tens of thousands of pages of regulation before anyone drives it off the lot.