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Biden Moves to Lift Restrictions on ALL U.S. Weapons to Israel
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Yeah, it’s been “hold your nose and vote for the least insane” for a long time now, but more the choice is “the guy who supports genocide” or “the guy who really really supports genocide.”
Fucking two party first post the post bullshit. This is going to get Trump elected when the people who cant bear to vote for genocide stay home or vote third party.
If Israel is your issue, you're going to have to find another differentiator... like how Trump wants to end democracy as we know it and Biden does not.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m just heartbroken that I’ll have to vote for someone unapologetically funding genocide with my tax money.
What’s the fucking point of democracy if I still have to vote for genocide in order to avoid the end of “democracy.”
More than 15,000 people dead with money generated from mine and your labor, that's enough of a differentiator for me. People call me naive for having convictions but legitimately believe "dEmoCrAcY iS In daNGeR"
Sorry you're too passive to fight for it sweaty
In this case fighting for it means voting for Trump tho..? I don’t think he would have done better in this situation. Do you?
Again everyone in here is comparing these hypothetical situations that have been built up by fear mongering and media to actual human deaths that are happening right now that can be stopped at any point, more than half of them women and children. Fighting for it does not mean voting for trump, activism is not filling out a Scantron that you got in your mailbox.
Ok, so what should we be doing?
First grow a conscience, then listen to it, then just fucking Google shit I don't care. How can I help Palestinians in need? What pressure can I be placing on my local government to speak with my voice in the Federal government? What pressure can I be putting on the glorious DNC to not run Biden as their pick? What political groups in my area need active members and funding? The fucking history of what led to the concentration camp that is Gaza in general. Literally any amount of effort.
Adding before you say anything, my tone is hostile because people say "what can I be doing?" Not with the intention of actually listening to any of it or doing fucking any of it but to try to catch me in some kind of gotcha where all my statements are irrelevant because I can't do your job for you. I'm just a little bit mad about paying to turn innocent people into dead bodies.
So, with all this energy, what have you done?
And there's the follow up gotcha, you're an absolute child. I do what I do and that's my business, I don't need to give you my CV. I'll say this, I'm not sitting in my own shit like an infant and moralizing to people who actually give a fuck.
Only one of us is throwing a tantrum and calling people names here.
If you have all the answers about how to solve this problem, it’s tragic that you are keeping them to yourself, while simultaneously blaming everyone else’s cowardice and incompetence for a situation we realistically have no control over.
I’m part of a group that regularly hand writes letters to representatives about issues including this one and I donate significant amounts of money to organizations that lobby the issues that are important to me, including this one. I canvas for local candidates that share my values. It’s all just farting into the wind though.
If you have the answer, please share.
If that's all just farting in the wind figure out how to do more, throw a brick or something I don't give a shit, but stop telling people to vote to use my labor to fund genocide and pad genociders paychecks cuz that's not a solution now and it's never going to be. The only answer I have is that everyone should be as mad as I am, everyone should be throwing a tantrum, in the middle of the fucking streets if possible. Come outside and yell with me, bring your friends, that's my answer.
Got it, throw bricks and insult people on social who share my values but feel powerless in the face of the capitalist juggernaut that is the US political system ✅
Has the genocide stopped yet?
Imagine broadcasting your actions against the empire on a public internet forum.
That's why I'm writing in Afroman; I don't pencilwhip colonizers
Implying burgerland was ever a democracy.
The Democratic National Convention of August, 1968 was in Chicago. It was marked by massive riots, after the April and June assassinations of the Rev Martin Luther King Jr and Democratic POTUS candidate Robert Kennedy, respectively. It was triggered by many issues, including anti-Vietnam War sentiment.
Interestingly, the August, 2024 DNC will be in Chicago. Maybe it’s time for the people of the United States to come together for another “year that breaks America”, and fight for the need to eliminate the DNC/RNC corporate stranglehold and work toward establishing a ranked voting system.
Or we could continue to choose between happy uncle fascist or bloated grifter fascist.
Yup. It's getting more difficult every election cycle. I'm highly thinking of sitting it out this time. I can't, with a clear conscious, vote for either of these two.
Yeah, you sure show em. Sitting out. Rebel.
Fucking dumb take.
Says the guy with the depopulation username.
It's important to at least go to the polls and do something, even if you won't vote for most Democrats.
Even a Maoist knows that ballot initiatives and referendums exist independent of candidates and parties. I'm a Communist, and while I will not vote for Joe Biden, I do plan on voting for some local Democrats (not that I'm implying you should). It is better to show up and submit a blank ballot than to do nothing at all.
*conscience
To be fair I don't know that I want to be clearly conscious for this election cycle, or for what come after.
Yeah, fuck your grammar/English/vocabulary bullshit. It doesn't add anything to the conversation nor does it fix the shit America is in right now. Take it somewhere where it matters, not here.
What it adds to the conversation is that you're a fucking idiot and you should be aware of it.
Ok cool.here is a trophy 🏆 Now go fuck off and die.
That guy you replied to is an actualcunt by the looks of it. He got very mad at a copypasta. And continued being mad.
There are a ton of fuckers on the Internet
Just vote third party if neither major party suits you. At least that way you're communicating that neither major party is acceptable, and if enough people do that, it's possible the major parties will adjust their policies.
Regardless, sign up for mail voting so you don't have to wait in line. That way you can throw your vote away like me in the comfort of your own home, and then drop it off at a ballot box at your convenience.
Might do that, but there is no fucking way I'm voting for Biden or Trump.
Same. I voted third party before Trump proved to be insane, and I'll do it again.
I'm thinking either Mariann Williamson or West
I'm the opposite, after reading a few profiles, I'm excited to see what Lars Mapstead has to say. He seems reasonably moderate compared to the rest running for the Libertarian nomination, so maybe he'd be okay. I hope Spike Cohen runs as well.
I'm also interested to see what Marianne Williamson has to say, but I'm not a fan of several of her proposals, though I like a number of them as well. I want to watch her debate so I can get a feel for which proposals she's going to base her campaign around.
I'm not a fan of Cornel West whatsoever, though I'll give him a chance to convince me. I think he'll just steal votes from the Dem nominee (he's running independent, no), which means Trump gets a better shot, but I guess we'll see if that's a thing.
All in all, I'm not liking this year's roundup. But as long as Trump loses, I'm happy.
How fucking dare you think and decide for yourself. The fucking herd is going to eat you alive. You HAVE to fall in line, shut up and vote for whatever democrat is the nominee, it doesn't matter if they're a terrible fucking candidate, they're not a Republican and that's all that matters, right?. They're going to downvote you to death not knowing that downvoting doesn't mean shit on Lemmy. Fucking good for you for having a god damn brain. I honestly have so much respect for people like you who are not sheep.
Yup, same happened on Reddit as well. It's like me not wanting to vote for the Democrat automatically means I like the Republican. That's stupid.
I really dislike both major parties, and the vote spread in my area is such that it really doesn't matter who I vote for, so I see no point in voting for a candidate I dislike. If Democrats want me to vote for them, they need to improve their policies. It's really that simple.
So who ate the soggy biscuit?
Well, I'm pretty sure votes are public, so you can always satisfy that curiosity.
The two of you are circlejerking so only you two know which one ate it.
How would public votes help?
I thought you were talking about the people down voting our comments, which I thought were quite constructive. I didn't care about down votes on Reddit and I certainly don't care here, but it seems strange to only get down votes and pretty much nothing in the way of discussion.
I'm open to voting for good candidates regardless of party, and I thought I made that pretty clear. It's odd to me that's somehow an unpopular opinion.
You do you, I’m not doing this with you, buds.
You didn’t answer my question though.
third party
I did vote for the green party last time. Might do it again, because fuck both Dems and Republicans.