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A recently released Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) document titled “Domestic Terrorism Symbols Guide”* links common protest symbols to “terrorism” — another marker in a common theme of conflating militant protest for social justice with deadly terrorist violence within the United States. Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Brennan Center have raised warnings about such documents, citing inadequate protections for people’s constitutional rights.

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[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 178 points 1 year ago

Labelling Antifa as a terrorist group is basically admitting you are a fascist.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

I think there's more nuance on the topic than you're implying. While there's no actual group called antifa, there are plenty of groups who oppose far right ideology (i.e. anti-fascist/antifa). Some of these groups have definitely become heavily armed and radicalized. I don't support fascists, but I also don't support radicalized zealots of any creed. Does that make me a fascist?

[-] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 90 points 1 year ago

While I'd prefer peaceful resolutions to our problems, I fully understand why left leaning groups are becoming more radicalized. There is little compromise with the theocrats who want to eliminate or subjugate various minority and underrepresented groups within our society, continually hand more and more power to corporations, wholeheartedly believe the end of days is coming once Israel fully takes control of the holy land, and will scream "Second Amendment" and "Crisis Actors" every time kids are killed in school shootings. They violently stormed the US Capitol many of whole had intent to kill Senators and Representatives.

There is no compromise or peaceful resolution with people who want to hurt you or worse because their pastor said you're a demonic sinner who must be cleansed from the earth.

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Yeah those fuckers want to kill me for even existing, if i armed up it would be entirely to defend myself.

[-] Caculon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

So your saying your extremely interested in staying alive? Gotcha!

[-] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I would greatly prefer to stay alive, yes. Still haven't loaded up on weapons, though.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

Does that make me a fascist?

No, it makes you a person that probably won't do squat to stop fascists.

It's no coincidence wthat it's only radicals that show up to physically confront fascists while the so-called "enlightened centrists" do nothing but heckle from the sidelines.

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Yup. Or when anyone tries to do anything they will just come up with reasons why it's wrong.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

The media was quick to forget that they were literally trying to criminalize the wearing of masks before Covid hit because "Antifa Scary."

So, yeah.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As someone who's been in several combat zones with the US military (honorably discharged 10 years ago), I can safely say I do not want my backyard turning into one. So pardon me while I wait for all peaceful options to be utterly exhausted before getting gun-happy and LARPing with others in fatigues while shouting for armed resistance.

If MAGAs or any other "militia" begins marching down my street, I'll sure as shit meet it with force. But until then or an outright coup, I'll continue advocating for peace

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Nobody's asking you to break out the claymore mines just yet... it's the fascists that are escalating the lethality, not the "scary radical left" opposing them.

It's usually a good idea to try and stop the fash before they march down your street... by the time they do, the politicians might just have decided to hand them the keys to the tanks - which they will, eventually.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it seems the less energic options are already exhausted.

i dont want to be on the receiving end of state violence either but i dont think things can change by simply voting or protesting anymore.

this doesnt necessarily mean violence but we must change our strategy.

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

My stance on Jan 6 was had it been successful and Trump was installed as president, it would have been up to people like you to actually resist the new tyrannical government.

Because at that point, democracy was usurped and the necessary peace transfer of power was ignored for a violent insurrection.

The problem is that J6 was a test run. It was not successful because people with morals, many of whom were registered Republicans, stood firm and said this isn't right. Many of these people have been replaced over the last three years to make stealing an election easier at a state level so that they won't need to steal it at the federal level.

I'm not saying there aren't peaceful options. But one side has already decided that peace is not an option. They showed that they will have their form of government, by force if necessary.

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[-] echutaa@programming.dev 23 points 1 year ago

Maybe with another organization you would have a point, but in the case of the FBI which has been known to aid and recruit fascists I don’t see this holding any water.

[-] Blamemeta@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I think you're thinking of the CIA.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Why? You think the FBI is (somehow) not serving the interests of a fundamentally white supremacist empire?

[-] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Radicals aren't the same as extremists. And that is an important distinction to understand when dealing with politics. Being armed and willing to defend yourself isn't an act of extremism. Being violent towards violent fascists isn't extremism. It's community defense. When you break down politics into it's most base element, it's about the distribution of the legitimate use of violence. Understanding and working within that framework isn't extremism, it's politics 101. Philosophy Tube has a good video on this in relation to fascism. Skip to ~20 mins in for the violence bit.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is that letting fascist types run rampant and hoping they'll just go away historically doesn't tend to work out well.

I live in Portland. Up until 2021 or so fascists, proud boys, Patriot prayer, etc. All ran rampant in cahoots with local law enforcement. People were menaced, paintballed, attacked and all that. It sucked. The sniveling mayor begged those groups not to come in (they're never local) and act like that. Shockingly they did anyway.

Portland fought back

It was unpleasant, but it worked. Those assholes haven't tried to have their gatherings here in a couple of years. Self described antifa groups are still on edge but have largely diminished in activity. You don't see antifa rallies designed to menace going out to the surrounding small towns where those assholes largely come from. Unless you're sporting some obviously fash flair pretty much everyone gets left alone in town.

Both sides are not the same

That was a good read, tyvm

[-] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

So would you label “maga” as heavily armed and radicalised?

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

So would you label “maga” as heavily armed and ~~radicalised~~ extremified?

FTFY.

[-] rchive@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

For most of Lemmy, yes, that makes you a fascist.

Yeah, actually, it kinda does.

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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

A group can be right and also be violent and extremist.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Not untrue, but antifa in general would cease to exist if fascists stopped coming to cities to menace people

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[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

I wonder if my profile pic puts me on that list.

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The use or sharing of these symbols or phrases alone should not independently be considered evidence of AVE presence or affiliation or serve as an indicator of illegal activity.

-FBI, in the document referenced.

[-] prole@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, I read what the FBI said. But there have been a million reasons not to 100% trust law enforcement. I'll take what they say with a grain of salt.

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

But anti fascist are fascist. we must lock them up and ..... \s

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