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Eat Less Meat Is Message for Rich World in Food’s First Net Zero Plan
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Most people do, that's what happens when you buy meat. Your money pays for the animals to be abused.
we just established that's not true.
No, we just established that's true. The farmers and slaughterers are paid by the grocery store, which is paid by the meat eaters. That's where the money to abuse and kill animals comes from. If you don't think they get their money from meat eaters, where do you think it comes from?
meat packers, I think.
You think the money that powers the meat industry comes from the pockets of meat packers?
oh yes. there are like 3 of em in the whole country.
even vegans spend money at grocery stores.
Do you mean to say that grocery stores are spending money from vegan sales on meat orders to subsidize an area of the business that isn't making them any money?
I'm saying grocery stores don't keep a pile of money segregated that only-comes-from-and-is-only-spent-on vegan food. when the 4th of July rolls around, they stock up on hotdogs with whatever money is on hand.
I'm also saying your policy of not giving money to grocery stores just isn't workable for most people.
Grocery stores keep budgets and expense reports. They downscale whatever products aren't selling or making them money. It's called running a business.
they may. I don't get to decide how they make decisions or which ones they make.
But you get to influence which decisions are profitable. When you pay them money in exchange for dead animals, you create incentive for them to arrange for there to be more dead animals
they have free will. I don't get to make their decisions for them.
Wow, you found a way to pay for corpses and somehow contrive yourself into not being responsible for the deaths
I'm not responsible for what other people do
So if I gave money to an assassin and told him to kill you, I wouldn't be responsible for his actions?
you're not responsible for his actions, you're responsible for yours.
this analogy doesn't hold up: the meat is on a shelf and everyone has been paid before I decide whether to buy it.
Okay, let's say there's a serial arsonist who's been burning down houses in your neighbourhood. Now he's on GoFundMe asking for money to buy more gasoline. I like burned down houses, so I give him money with the knowledge he will use it to burn down your house.
Do I share any responsibility for what happened to your house?
I still don't see how this is analogous: the meat industry doesn't depend on my purchases any more than it depends on yours.
look at this chart. can you see when you went vegan?
Yes, it does depend on your purchases more than mine. You're making the mistake of conflating a very small number with zero.
animals are killed in increasing numbers year over year every year. being vegan doesn't stop that.
And now you're conflating a very small number with a huge number
The only conflation that's happened in this thread is you conflating my responsibility with the responsibility of others.
rarely. most grocers have a supply company.
The farmers and slaughterers are paid by the supplier, who is paid by the grocery store, who is paid by the meat eaters.
as I said above, even vegans spend money at grocery stores.
Do you mean to say that grocery stores are spending money from vegan sales on meat orders to subsidize an area of the business that isn’t making them any money?
as I said, they don't segregate the vegan money: they spend what money they have on what they want to spend it on.