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How about changing a community's culture so bang-bang shooty-shooty isn't the first response to checks notes disrespect.
Or we could just not have more guns than people, like everywhere else in the rest of the first world. But "fuck you I've got mine" is the unofficial motto of the United States of America after all.
More like fuck you I barley have shit and I'm not giving up my ability to protect myself from anyone that might be coming for it.
Killing someone to prevent them from stealing your stuff may well land you in prison. Guns cause a lot of misery in this country.
I get it btw. But still. I think we'd all be better off with fewer guns :\
I should probably clarify that I don't actually own a gun. My previous comment is just the attitude I typically see from people who do. I don't live in an area with a high crime rate that would necessitate one and I'd be far more likely to use it on myself before I was ever in a self defense situation. That being said if I still lived in the town I grew up where there were break ins every few weeks many of which included assaults I would have one for sure.
Get what? That if you can't fight and don't own a gun then you're at the mercy of the police you hate to protect you?
I've lived in a few different countries, and they have many of the same problems as the US, but there's of course far fewer guns, and those places are safer. That difference in safety is really palpable.
Without all these guns, and the associated culture of violence and fear, perhaps American policing in general would be less violent. It's something I've wondered about.
I am sympathetic to the desire for self-defense, arms as a safeguard against tyranny, etc. But I personally don't think it's worth this.
So it's a complex issue, but I don't think the 2A is a net positive. At least not anymore.
Really? What nations are as polarizing as the US? Seems to me the vast majority of nations that aren't as violent as the US are not nearly as diverse or suffer from the same extent of wealth inequality.
Sweden, even with its anti-gun laws, has become the most dangerous scandinavian country by a longshot because they're now dealing with racial problems the US has had to face for generations.
Plenty of diversity and wealth inequality problems in Europe. Just look up the stats if you're really interested.
And these issues are noticeable as you say in Sweden for example. And in Germany, and France, and Spain, etc.
But I don't see how proliferating guns in Europe would help make these places safer. I would imagine letting everyone have guns would see Sweden's murder rate go up. Maybe another 5x to 10x and it would reach US per capita levels. Progress?
Sweden's problems aren't the same as Germany or France.
That's because you're ignoring all the nations who have outlawed guns yet have worse gun violence than the US because of their culture. You cherrypick evidence to support your agenda and ignore evidence that goes against it.
Some would call that 'biased,' but that would make them a rational person.
You know what never mind, you seem to think guns in the US are generally a good thing and think they're generally bad. We'll probably never agree. Hope you never have to use your guns mate.
It's never worked in the past; but so much of America's culture is predicated on winning the lottery, so sure you go ahead.
That's objectively false, but you're too far down your tribalistic rabbit hole to understand that.