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Google Researchers’ Attack Prompts ChatGPT to Reveal Its Training Data
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Text engine trained on publicly-available text may contain snippets of that text. Which is publicly-available. Which is how the engine was trained on it, in the first place.
Oh no.
Now delete your posts from ChatGPTs memory.
Delete that comment you just posted from every Lemmy instance it was federated to.
I consented to my post being federated and displayed on Lemmy.
Did writers and artists consent to having their work fed into a privately controlled system that didn't exist when they made their post, so that it could make other people millions of dollars by ripping off their work?
The reality is that none of these models would be viable if they requested permission, paid for licensing or stuck to work that was clearly licensed.
Fortunately for women everywhere, nobody outside of AI arguments considers consent, once granted, to be both unrevokable and valid for any act for the rest of time.
While you make a valid point here, mine was simply that once something is out there, it's nearly impossible to remove. At a certain point, the nature of the internet is that you no longer control the data that you put out there. Not that you no longer own it and not that you shouldn't have a say. Even though you initially consented, you can't guarantee that any site will fulfill a request to delete.
Should authors and artists be fairly compensated for their work? Yes, absolutely. And yes, these AI generators should be built upon properly licensed works. But there's something really tricky about these AI systems. The training data isn't discrete once the model is built. You can't just remove bits and pieces. The data is abstracted. The company would have to (and probably should have to) build a whole new model with only propeely licensed works. And they'd have to rebuild it every time a license agreement changed.
That technological design makes it all the more difficult both in terms of proving that unlicensed data was used and in terms of responding to requests to remove said data. You might be able to get a language model to reveal something solid that indicates where it got it's information, but it isn't simple or easy. And it's even more difficult with visual works.
There's an opportunity for the industry to legitimize here by creating a method to manage data within a model but they won't do it without incentive like millions of dollars in copyright lawsuits.
Deleting this comment won't erase it from your memory.
Deleting this comment won't mean there's no copies elsewhere.
Deleting a file from your computer doesn't even mean the file isn't still stored in memory.
Deleting isn't really a thing in computer science, at best there's "destroy" or "encrypt"
Yes, that's the point.
You can't delete public training data. Obviously. It is far too late. It's an absurd thing to ask, and cannot possibly be relevant.
And to be logically consistent, do you also shame people for trying to remove things like child pornography, pornographic photos posted without consent or leaked personal details from the internet?
Or maybe folks should think before putting something into the world they can't control?
Yeah it's their fault for daring to communicate online without first considering a technology that didn't exist.
Sooner or later these models will be trained with breached data, accidentally or otherwise.
This whole internet thing was a mistake because it can't be controlled.
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