AI have no rights. Your AI creations are right-less. They belong in the public domain. If not, they are properties of the peoples whose art you stole to make the AI.
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I am the for regularization of AI, but I hate the "AI is stealing art" lie. What AI does is no different than a human looking at how other people draw to learn to draw like them. Nothing is being stolen.
The biggest difference is, when a human learns to draw, the new drawings that are created were created by a human artist and are expressing their human experience and perspective and emotions and ideas. There's an intelligent creator behind the new art that is being made.
These so-called "AI" have no thoughts. They have no ideas or perspectives or ideas. There's no more originality here than a funhouse mirror.
It's incredibly different, because humans can have experiences outside of the art they view and that becomes part of the art they make.
hmm so if the ai was trained on various e.g. stock photos in addition to people's art would u change your opinion
No? Stock photos are technically just other people's art? The point is that the "AI" we're currently talking about is INCAPABLE of anything other than reassembling other people's art.
If it could have its own experiences, it would be an entirely different thing and it would be unethical to exploit their labor. Current AI is just really efficient copying that covers its own tracks by copying A LOT at once. That's just what this technology is.
Typing in a prompt to "create art" with these is tantamount to image searching on google and claiming all the images are yours because you came up with the search term.
and I think you might be stretching the definition of copying here at least a bit. They're not copying pixels, they're identifying common features in images and encoding those into the internal network relationships, except not only the features themselves but also how they relate to each other etc
also point of order/etiquette is it rude to respond with two comments to two different points
A little, but we do it all the time
huh, what level of indirection would it require for photographs to not be art anymore? Would like, random street webcams do it?
I'm not sure I understand the question or how the scenario is comparable. A more apt comparison would be someone that goes around taking pictures of other people's art and starts claiming it as their own. You're free to take pictures of it, sure, but if you want to claim it as your own creation, you've cross a boundary that I'm not willing to cross with you. That's how I see "AI" art.
i'm pretty sure you could in fact take pictures of paintings, with some connecting theme or context & redisplay those photos as new art. the line between a 'new art' and a 'stolen art' is pretty difficult to define
Yeah we already had this particular debate 100 years ago tbh. there may have been a urinal involved
It's such a counter-productive property brained take too. Like no matter which way it swings it's a lose-lose: either the AI owner gets to functionally enclose (but in a non-exclusive way) the sum of available human art and profit off of an endless stream of low-grade procgen nonsense mimicking it, or they have to build their own private stables of training art and then they get to own and profit off their endless low-grade slop generator and it just takes a little longer and costs them a bit more.
Chasing the training data IP angle is just playing right into their hands, when what should be pushed for is to make generative AI a copyright poison pill that not only is inherently and immediately public domain itself, but also applies that to the entire work it's featured in and any licenses alongside it. Disney used a deepfake somewhere in a Star Wars movie? Boom, Star Wars in its entirety becomes public domain as punishment, as do any trademarks they stuck anywhere in the film like their fucking Mickey Mouse logo. Just straight up making using it at all completely untenable regardless of the ownership of the training data. Not because this is a logical way to set it up, but because taking a complete scorched earth approach to AI generated slop is the only acceptable solution under the capitalist system: let it be a fun toy for the average person to fuck around with, and a deadly poison to any corporate commodification.
Hell, apply that to the algorithm itself: any software providing generative AI becomes public domain, as do any patents that software uses as well. Just go fucking nuclear on the whole thing entirely.