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I get why they're doing it,
But what exactly do they think is going to happen when those highly coveted positions get filled by people complacent or supportive of DeSantis' agenda?
The university system in Florida will get worse? Why should professors feel obligated to try to save Florida's higher ed system?
I’ve met many, and in 20+ years of knowing them, I know many more ex-teachers than those still teaching because our education system does not value their work and actively makes it incredibly hard for them.
So then you realize your statement is meaningless because many of those teachers that 100% take the burden on themselves and fill the gaps out of their own pocketbook still wash out after some time.
And even if they don’t, the few that remain do not deserve the load that society has already saddled them with, and they certainly shouldn’t be used as the example of how real teachers will take on any new hardship for the children no matter the load.
I’m sure there are some teachers that will work for free, but don’t tell the republicans because they’d try to staff public schools entirely with volunteers.
Teachers don’t give up on students. They do give up on institutions.
Florida is going to be a wasteland of inbred morons in 20 years if it’s not under water.
Yes, but they still have 2 senators. Do this to enough states and you've effectively eliminated democracy.
Maybe if popular vote was a thing.
I'm just saying leaving isn't going to improve the situation. If they're leaving because they don't want to do it anymore, that's fine and I don't blame them at all.
But if they think they're making some kind of protest or statement by resigning, it won't change anything and will arguably make the problem worse.
They're not empowered to improve the situation. The only thing they can do is resign in protest and make a statement about why they are leaving. They should stay and suffer while the institutions they work for crumble?
Why would you stay working at a job where people are actively finding ways to fire you and you might get caught up in a literal witch hunt because someone decided that you are teaching "Anti-Christian Scientific Theories on Planetary Orbits" or whatever the latest stupidity there is?
But also? They ARE improving the situation. Florida is increasingly a lost cause where students get stupider by the year (and sometimes month). College professors are not qualified or trained in teaching basic education and all it does is take away time that can be spent teaching their passions... or whatever they got saddled with because they brought the wrong color of jello to the last department party.
But also? If someone decides "Well, Florida sucks but Professor Oliver does really interesting research work." and puts themselves in that shithole? There is an argument that Professor Oliver is actively causing harm.
Maybe they just don't want to live in Gilead.
Probably most realize moving out makes the situation in FL worse. Those that move probably prioritize improving their own situation. Maybe some think this will give a wake up call to DeSantis but if it is anything like mass resignations in a corporate setting, the kind of management that cultivates that kind of hostility also is unlikely to get the message; they certainly won't blame themselves for anything.
The situation in Florida won't improve. The situation in those professors' lives will improve.
I mean, to the professors themselves? Nothing. To the university system? Arguably, what the people of Florida want and deserve
It's nice to say one would stay on principle and try and change things /fight back, but in reality, it's a huge emotional and professional drain, especially on families. I've personally drawn a line at applying for positions in Florida
That said, I've got a number of friends who work as professors in Florida and they haven't given any indication this affects them, or they're even remotely interested in leaving. Professors have high mobility and move often, especially if they have a competing (better) offer. The turnover rate only increased by 2% in the last year, according to the article...
Try considering the polling places per capita of blue versus red counties and several other kinds of voter suppression before you go victim blaming millions of people.
Fighting fascism is not going to be easy, convenient, safe, or anything like that, but it's still worth it.
Then the fascists should start fighting it, no? Why are you not pointing your multiple comments at them?
Why is it up to the rest of us to clean up their messes when they can so easily just stay in place, destroy everything they don't like, and create the POC-free, LGBTQIA-free, non-Christian-free, democracy-free "Gilead" utopia they long for?
We already have historical evidence to tell us exactly how this is going to end. I don't want to be there when it does -- and it inevitably will. Badly.
Do you think they should stay in a hostile work environment dealing with reform policies they disagree with but have no power to change? If you get why they are leaving, what else is there for them to do? It's not a protest, it's people choosing to leave jobs they are no longer happy doing under the circumstances forced upon them.
Doing something for the greater good is admirable. But you can't expect everyone to do it and even those who do can't always spend a lifetime doing it. I'm sure these professors have considered the exact scenario you brought up, but at the same time they have to enjoy their life and raise families in a place that isn't hostile to them.
What's going to happen? They will get exactly what they want, which is students being taught what they want them to believe. It's an academic coup.