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Good. There's no good reason to burn books. Free speech doesn't require absolutism, it requires that we are capable of expressing our ideas. Yelling the N word doesn't express an idea, it's just offense. Ditto book burning. People who are absolutists are pretty much always being assholes.
Burning other people's books is of course bad. Burning your own books? Idk man, you bought it.
Silly argument at the level of "I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you". It's not about how you choose to dispose your personal property, it's about regulating a particular political act.
The ban isn't on inciting violence, it's on burning a book.
Burning the quran is functionally incitement to violence.
As a free speech advocate I will claim your post is an incitement to violence and therefore you should be arrested.
Why, is there some reason you associate Islam with violence? I can go ahead and burn a Bible, a Torah, a Mormon Bible, a copy of the Pali Canon and the most danger I am in is getting a strongly worded letter. Is Islam in some particular way different?
People keep arguing from first principles as if politics is an abstract question to be solved by correct application of moral reasoning.
I am not talking about Islam in general. I am not interested in that discussion. I am not talking about abstract ideas. I do not care for top down idealism, I care for bottom up pragmatism.
In empirical practice, in our times and in these societies that we live in, this act has consistently increased the level of animosity, has incited violence, and is specifically being used to do those things on purpose. A democratic society can decide to put reasonable limits to it to protect peace and order. The fact that it remains a democratic society means that it retains its right to undo these limits at an appropriate time if it judges them to be hurtful or useless.
Trust democracy.
Different than what? The law doesn't single out Islam, it makes it illegal to publicly burn any religious text.
"Is Islam different", such a weird question. As if there is one single "Islam"? And as if there is nothing unique about it, like what, are all religions interchangeable like Coca-Cola and Pepsi? This is an entirely pointless question. Unless you're trying to tease out if I'm an extremist, either an islamophobe or an Islamist? In which case, ask your question directly, I guess?
I asked why you associate blasphemy against islam with violence and you are working really hard to not answer the question.
April 2023 riots in Sweden.
I reject however your framing as an association of Islam with violence. I reject the framing of making it about an entire religion. The framing I'm choosing is one of social peace and what endangers it.
Do you need me to repeat it again?
Blasphemy and racism are two very different things.
Blasphemy is a human right.
Besides, there are already laws against hate speech.
Book burnings are bad when they are used to prevent the free sharing of information or ideas. It is a form of censorship. Burning the Quran is not censorship, because this is not an attempt to ban the Quran or prevent anyone from reading it. Its an entirely symbolic gesture. Its comparable to burning the American flag, which I'm guessing you're not so against.
And what does it symbolise?........
That religion is dogshit and appeasement is cowardly.
Appease these nuts 🤣
I absolutely agree.
I don't disagree but I feel like they should just ban publicly burning books for reasons other than waste disposal. I think it's weird to make an exception for one particular religious book