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Calls to reform UN Security Council after US vetoes Gaza ceasefire
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There are multiple definitions of what constitutes as genocide if you read the article, not just attempting to kill 100% of the population. Trying to eradicate the norm and way of life by a group of people and forcing them to adopt a different culture is cultural genocide. Which is what Russia is doing by Russifying Ukraine. And what do they think they're doing by kidnapping Ukrainian children? Not Russifying them?
It is cultural genocide. And kidnapping the children is indeed real genocide.
But Russia's goal is clearly not the total elimination of the people of Ukraine.
Israel wants to literally kill all Palestinians and replace them with israelis. Do you disagree with that?
Russia's goal is absolutely the total elimination of all Ukrainians -- they want Ukraine to cease to exist, consumed by them. They thus eliminate all Ukrainians by instead forcing them to be Russian citizens.
And honestly? I don't think that's Israel's goal, because they don't seem to have a goal. It's just senseless and directionless violence and. To me it looks more like them lashing out because they can. Just like Russia with Ukraine, they want Palestine to cease to exist and all Palestinians to either become Israeli or be exiled. The settler program makes that much obvious.
It's not a super big distinction though, frankly. Sure Israel isn't methodically killing every Palestinian, but they sure as hell don't care about how many Palestinians die. Again, just like Russia with Ukrainians. The goal isn't an organized campaign of ethnic cleansing, but more the total consumption of the land, no matter how many Palestinians or Ukrainians die.
Elimination of a passport does not mean unaliving someone.
Correct, but that doesn't mean it isn't genocidal. The US didn't stop being genocidal to Native Americans when they stopped killing them.
When would you say that the genocide of the Native Americans stopped then?
IMO not trying to wipe out their race was a great starting point.
Hmmm. Good question actually. I don't know.
No it did not stop then. Not at all.
There is indeed still some genocide in there with kidnapped children but the main part here seems to be cultural genocide. Is that the same as physical genocide though?
Would France banning religious clothing in schools then also constitue as genocide? I don't think so.
What would you say is the point that the genocide against the natives ended?
Both are destroying a culture. Actually, the former in this case is destroying multiple cultures. Including killing children. And you may argue that they didn't murder those children. I would say they did because neglect is a form of murder when it comes to children.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/interior-dept-investigation-finds-burial-sites-53-indian-boarding-schools-2022-05-11/
It hasn't.
https://www.tribstar.com/news/local_news/indianas-miami-tribe-battling-for-federal-recognition-after-rule-changes/article_c85613bc-5c6a-5caa-9471-6394726f0fc7.html
Israel's goal is to end Hamas as a concept, and destroy their infrastructure and resources so they do not have a viable successor
They aren't doing a great job of it. The wanton killing is just making things worse. To truly defeat terrorism they need to invest in the civil government of Gaza and build it up. Otherwise there's always going to be someone to replace Hamas, unfortunately.
I would definitely have prosecuted this war differently, yes.