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Putin says Russia ready to hold talks on the future of Ukraine
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Russia is screwed either way.
With China reconciling with the US after realizing that Russia’s tiny market simply could not absorb the loss of export to the US, it is clear that Russia will get the short end of the stick moving forward as China refuses to decouple from the US. Together with the demise of BRICS, with India pulling away and Argentina going its own way, Putin knows that Russia has to make concessions now or they will get even shittier deal if they wait longer.
It is fair to say that Russia and China have failed to bring down the empire. The world simply isn’t ready for it yet.
What? Where the fuck did you get the idea that China wants to decouple from the US? Or from anyone for that matter?
China hasn't been involved in any of this shit. Bring down the empire? China doesn't have to bring down the empire, it's in decline and it's never going to stop that decline. China just simply has to exist and it will rise to the top without an unprecedented intervention that the west is simply incapable of performing. America is already on the path the British empire was and will not reverse that.
I don't know where you've gotten these ideas from but they're just flat out wrong.
I've only been lurking and reading, not really speaking up about it but that's kinda the trend I notice with their posts. A lot of them just come off as "USA stronk and Biden 5000 IQ 5-D Chess strategic mastermind, USA set to eviscerate and humiliate China and set in ~~thousand~~ infinite year reich. China weak, ineffective and pathetic and hopeless, USA only makes it look like China has a chance out of pity." That's not actually what they're saying of course, but I'm just exaggerating for the reason stated below:
It's actually seriously getting on my nerves.
Patriots are in control.
It really is instructive how much liberal messaging has become bluMAGAified.
That’s not what I’m saying and I’m sorry if it came across that way to you.
I know a lot of people here can’t wait to see the US empire eating shit. Indeed, I have often said that China and Russia were on their way of checkmating the US empire back in 2022, but for whatever reasons they stopped doing what they were doing and so much wasted opportunities this year allowed the global hegemon to breathe and regain its strengths.
Once you start to see the high level play of the US imperialists, it gets incredibly scary. Too many people see a senile president, a fumbling military operation and think the empire is crumbling into its own demise, but the empire’s spider web is cast far wider and deeper, and its bite far more venomous than most are seeing right now. Blink and you’ll miss it.
What are your trying to say here? It reads like you're claiming that China tried to stop exporting to the USA (when?) and didn't know that Russia was a smaller economy than the USA (why?) and then found it out.
Your first comment is wrong from beginning to end and when questioned about it you retreat into vague language about "high level play" and spider webs.
Sad to see a “hexbear” account posting such L’s lol
Spooky. 👀
Name a single relevant and concrete concession, policy change or backstep China has taken in the last couple of months in context of this "reconciling with the US" that noticably diverges from their behavior 6 months or 12 months ago. Xi visiting the US and saying "lets all coexist peacefully mmmkey?" or signing some deal for soybeans or whatever doesnt sell the story to me
What loss of export to the US?
(wrote that before reading the rest of the comment; it has too many mistakes to easily list; wrong from beginning to end really)
Lmao what are you talking about?