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[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They'll just do the usual porky-happy retort that obfuscates the entire question by appealing to the abstract social nature of labor. If you're only at one spot on the assembly line and you contribute to a small part of the manufacturing of the commodity, it's a lot harder to measure how many commodities you make a day, since you never really make an entire commodity with your hands the way an artisan would. Someone milks the cow. Someone bottles the milk. Someone screws the cap on. Someone puts the label on. Someone makes the bottle. Obviously it's even more complex than that, but this is a simplified example. If a process of making a commodity is divided into 5 separate jobs, each worker only creates on average 20% of the commodity at a time. So if a given individual in that process does their job 100 times they really only "created" 20 commodities. And at this point the question becomes abstract enough for people to not really know exactly how much they're individually doing for the capitalist and it becomes harder for them to measure whether they're being paid the full value of their work or not. Intuitively of course most people know they aren't, because otherwise profit and hence surplus value/surplus product couldn't exist. And collectively the workers definitely are getting less than they give on average.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

What part of Das Kapital did you get this from?

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's a tough question. I'm not quoting Marx above, I'm casually using intuition and memory. Honestly if I were strictly going off of Marx directly I wouldn't have talked so casually about the "full value of their work" since Marx draws a distinction between labor power (the commodity sold by the worker to the capitalist), living labor (work as it is actually performed) and dead labor (i.e. the products of past labor, including means of production). But yeah. This is mostly stuff you can find explained much better in Volume 1, Wage Labour and Capital, Value Price and Profit, and maybe a little bit of Volume 2.

If you want a full citation I'd have to put in some time and frankly it's the Saturday before Christmas and I'm feeling very lazy lol

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