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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 93 points 9 months ago

Those kids are very brave. School bullying is no joke. My daughter was bullied so harshly in her middle school that we had to pull her out of school and put her in online school. The school administration did nothing for her and they'll do even less than nothing for kids in this club that get bullied by religious students. I feel really bad for them in that regard and I hope they make it through without too much scarring.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

The school administration did nothing for her and they’ll do even less than nothing for kids in this club that get bullied by religious students.

I think part of the purpose of the club is to create a sense of shared identity and form a collective defense mechanism against bullying by aggressive students and administrators.

Of course, this gives the administration one big target to smash rather than a bunch of little targets. But that's the nature of organizing in defiance of a violent and oppressive authority.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Maybe, but as kids found out who formed a Gay-Straight Alliance group in my high school back in the 90s, being united doesn't really stop the bullying.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

The Gay-Straight Alliances formed back in the 90s were critical to establishing the LGBT population as a real and recognizable social cohort in need of a distinct codified set of legal rights. Prior to the formation of these groups, it was entirely too common for kids to be taught in school that gay relationships were a sign of physical and sexual abuse, a mental illness, and a moral perversion. Having a community in the school of out-kids who could testify to the contrary made a huge difference in how the subsequent generation of students (and their parents - I got to watch in real time family friends go from implicit bigots to LGBT advocates) perceived of the LGBT population.

Being united doesn't stop the bullying immediately. But it brings bullying into sharp relief and turns it into a conflict between groups rather than a social stigma against individuals.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I don't disagree with you, but these are the first group of kids doing this club, so they're going to face the brunt of the bullying, which is why I said they were brave and why I hope it doesn't scar them.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

they’re going to face the brunt of the bullying

They likely already were facing a lot of bullying. I'm old enough to remember people claiming that being gay meant you could give people AIDS from a toilet seat. I had a Health textbook that described "gay bowel syndrome" as a chronic condition caused by intimacy. Nevermind the teacher-sponsored religious groups that talked about how sinful it was to express any kind of affection towards one another. Just enormous amounts of misinformation, fear, and hate. And if you were a singular Out voice, it all got directed at you.

Clubs like this are as much an immediate defensive measure and emotional support group as a long-term progressive spearhead.

Which isn't to say that spearheading the project doesn't take an immense amount of bravery (and hard work and some exceptional social skills). But I think it mistakes the pre-organized LGBT community as somehow enjoying security through obscurity, rather than a population that simply suffered in silence.

[-] Facebones@reddthat.com 6 points 9 months ago

No, but it gives them a community to support them in the face of that bullying and shows others that it's not just "the one weird kid"

[-] rivermonster@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Kids like these give me hope for the future, no matter what disasters we have to suffer through!

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