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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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On Nathan J. Robinson. I learnt yesterday that he didn’t do any union-busting, and the departing writers/editors who stirred up so much drama on left-Twitter were lying all along. This article by Yasmin Nair gives the full breakdown with a lot of receipts.

I was linked this article by @HarryLime@hexbear.net in his post yesterday, where NJR was vindicated on calling out Fetterman being terrible back in 2022. The replies to that tweet are filled with people dunking on Nathan, while the quote tweets, almost all from the past couple days, are filled with everyone apologizing.

It’s pretty interesting to see.

I’m currently going through his other tweets. So far, NJR seems like a pretty decent guy with a lot of good analysis', completely different from the caricature I made up in my mind from memes and tweets.

It’s quite strange. I used to read Current Affairs before the “incident” and even listened to the podcast. I liked everyone there, including Nathan. I guess that’s why when I heard what happened, and saw in real time all the people I liked fighting with each other (well, all the people I recognised from the articles and the podcast dunking Nathan), I felt betrayed in a sense. I remember writing an email or filling out a form or something similar that the writers who’d been “fired” had set up. Maybe I donated money too, but I don’t remember that. If I did, it would be a small amount.

And I stopped my subscription to Current Affairs, changing it to Jacobin instead.

There was a lot of trolling that went on. I don’t think I ever tweeted at him personally, but that doesn’t matter. I know I consumed the tweets and posts (even here and on the subreddit back when it existed!)

Why? For me, I guess, it was a sense of justice mixed with betrayal: here was a man who headed an org I respected who had betrayed these principals we all hold dear, and in doing so hurt these other people who I also like. And the only power I have in enacting “justice” is in ridiculing him a little bit.

But even then, that never achieved anything. I won’t say “dunking” as a whole is useless. It can be useful in bringing people together and giving us a sense of camaraderie, but only when it’s against deserving subjects - billionaires and the like. It’s like part of forming an identity around common things we hate.

But… completely divorced from any other forms of unification, any other ways to group and coalesce, all that left is a weak identity that does nothing but dunk for no other purpose. Thats, I guess, what happened to me.

None of us here became leftists for the purpose of trolling others. Using it to hurt and bully others is what people on the right do, even if they consider themselves apolitical sometimes.

But dunking on Nathan…became that. Didn’t it? In the article, Yasmin Nair points to real world examples of people bullying him. I imagine they did so out of a similar feeling of “betrayal”, and sought “justice” too. But how would that achieve it? It wouldn’t. It can’t.

This happened because we separated our actual politics - leftism - from our online activities. Maybe not all of us, but I’d wage at least quite a few. If Current Affairs had failed in the years between the Incident and the start of Jan, 2024, I would’ve thought “sad this happened, but serves him right” with no thought to the actual damage that would’ve done to the real world impacts of losing a magazine like that to left politics.

That’s a failing on my part. It’s a failing that I let my personal grievances with Nathan (Ill-informed as I now know) shut me off completely from Current Affairs as a whole, with all the great writers who work and publish there, then and now.

I remember there was an effort, early on in this site’s history, of making this place more than just a place to shitpost online - to actually be used to organise. It failed, partly because we were small and partly because we were too resistant. There were also onboarding efforts to allow us to grow to mitigate that first problem, but it ran into the second one, our resistance to change, and, well, here we are today. Is there anyone here who remembers those days? What a mess. Since then, a lot of original people who created and did the heavy lifting of maintaining this site, including creatively, left.

I remember enquiring sometime ago, maybe 2022, maybe 2023, about what happened to the writers who left Current Affairs. Have they found other jobs? Where are they working, publishing, podcasting? I wanted to support them. I didn’t figure it out. Some have now deleted their Twitter, others have privated their accounts. Maybe it’s for the best.

Maybe things could’ve been different if we could’ve grown and changed and been the place for atleast left-adjacent people to come by the time Reddit exploded and people started to migrate to Lemmy. Who knows? That’s a different world, and probably also a different post. But at least we could learn something from our mistakes. I am trying to from mine. —

This went in directions I wasn’t expecting. I just typed out my thoughts as they came to me. You don’t really have to read it.

TLDR: “I’m sorry, Nathan” and maybe dunking, without any thing else, is not good.

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[-] voight@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

While this still makes my eye twitch, it's better than all the people who are running with the dumb "indiscriminate attacks on global shipping" narrative - even people who are purportedly pro-resistance (usually the same people posting shit like WHY ISN'T IRAN DOING ANYTHING. WHERE IS XI. WHY IS HEZBOLLAH NOT DOING ANYTHING)

[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It boggles the mind. The few sane voices are like islands on a sea of reaction ready to genocide Yemen for daring to stop the genocide of Palestine.

I’m surprised, but pleasantly, to see Nathan as one of those islands.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

That's a bit of a screed sorry, by "bazinga takes" I mean if you're actually arguing about whether Ansar Allah attacks on Israeli shipments raised prices for USian "working class "people"" (more on this later) to the point where you reach "that's a good thing" you've swallowed the framing that's it's the attacks and not the capital strike increasing prices, and those prices are actually responsive to shipping costs instead of being calculated by "how many people in this neighborhood will probably pay 7.99 for chips absentmindedly?" and how much the suppliers feel like laying waste to everything, etc.

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Those takes also rely on thinking that price increases only happened the last 2 months.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

I think some bazinga takes like that are an unavoidable result of focusing a lot of energy on media criticism without reorienting yourself outside of the western media sphere & hyper reactionary tea partier types. It's about more than simply adding foreign sources. Geopolitical explanations of current events are too difficult to fit into online discussions without setting off a bunch of false positives from prior incoherent reactionary takes people familiarized themselves with through political entertainment.

[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

No yeah I agree with that. I’ve been reading a book again after a long time and the difference between what you can learn (and more importantly, communicate) in a proper book vs Twitter is astounding. I knew that already, in a way, but getting into reading again has just reinforced it.

And a real book, for me, is absolutely essential. Too often with pdfs and ePubs I read a page or two then go watch YouTube or do something else.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

Oh yea I'm focusing a lot of my effort now on collecting material for a guided bibliography + review questions (the solution to how to help a buddy who doesn't actually have time to read yet). I was originally vetting & reviewing a bunch of leftist parapolitics books from our milieu like Mirage Men, NATO's Secret Armies, etc (as well as shitting on Poisoner in Chief + Legacy of Ashes, searching up screeds written by other people about how much they hated certain chapters lol) but I zeroed in on Open Veins by Galeano & have moved on to reading better history lol.

If I can recommend 2 books for you from what I'm going over on right now:

Georg Lukacs - The Destruction of Reason-Penguin Random House LLC (Publisher Services) (2021).epub 0.9 MB https://files.catbox.moe/w2jp94.epub

[2nd] Samir Amin - EUROCENTRISM (2010, NYU Press) - libgen_1.li.epub 0.3 MB https://files.catbox.moe/7p7ty8.epub

[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

I forgot to add: that goal is very admirable. I wish you all the best! A guided bibliography is better than reading twitter threads.

[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Thanks for those links! I’ll give those a read. I’m currently going through Nothing Human is Alien to Me which is a conversation/interview Vijay Prasad had with Aijaz Ahmad, an Indian Marxist who passed away a couple years ago. I don’t know if it exists online, but here’s the Amazon link.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago
[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Lmao that gave me a laugh. Yeah, it’s a problem I run into often. Libgen is a great resource, but there are far, far too many books that have never been put online in the first place.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Lately I keep realizing shit like uploading the books is my job & it's horrifying.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Tldr what I mean is without a bibliography or a class to guide you reading is easy to be distracted from until you construct your own program or dig one up online. Making audiobooks or study guides helps break the cycle of others not having enough time to study.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)
[-] kristina@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

im shaking and crying right now, i didnt realize war hinged on the interdiction of enemy supply lines

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