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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

Source.

On Nathan J. Robinson. I learnt yesterday that he didn’t do any union-busting, and the departing writers/editors who stirred up so much drama on left-Twitter were lying all along. This article by Yasmin Nair gives the full breakdown with a lot of receipts.

I was linked this article by @HarryLime@hexbear.net in his post yesterday, where NJR was vindicated on calling out Fetterman being terrible back in 2022. The replies to that tweet are filled with people dunking on Nathan, while the quote tweets, almost all from the past couple days, are filled with everyone apologizing.

It’s pretty interesting to see.

I’m currently going through his other tweets. So far, NJR seems like a pretty decent guy with a lot of good analysis', completely different from the caricature I made up in my mind from memes and tweets.

It’s quite strange. I used to read Current Affairs before the “incident” and even listened to the podcast. I liked everyone there, including Nathan. I guess that’s why when I heard what happened, and saw in real time all the people I liked fighting with each other (well, all the people I recognised from the articles and the podcast dunking Nathan), I felt betrayed in a sense. I remember writing an email or filling out a form or something similar that the writers who’d been “fired” had set up. Maybe I donated money too, but I don’t remember that. If I did, it would be a small amount.

And I stopped my subscription to Current Affairs, changing it to Jacobin instead.

There was a lot of trolling that went on. I don’t think I ever tweeted at him personally, but that doesn’t matter. I know I consumed the tweets and posts (even here and on the subreddit back when it existed!)

Why? For me, I guess, it was a sense of justice mixed with betrayal: here was a man who headed an org I respected who had betrayed these principals we all hold dear, and in doing so hurt these other people who I also like. And the only power I have in enacting “justice” is in ridiculing him a little bit.

But even then, that never achieved anything. I won’t say “dunking” as a whole is useless. It can be useful in bringing people together and giving us a sense of camaraderie, but only when it’s against deserving subjects - billionaires and the like. It’s like part of forming an identity around common things we hate.

But… completely divorced from any other forms of unification, any other ways to group and coalesce, all that left is a weak identity that does nothing but dunk for no other purpose. Thats, I guess, what happened to me.

None of us here became leftists for the purpose of trolling others. Using it to hurt and bully others is what people on the right do, even if they consider themselves apolitical sometimes.

But dunking on Nathan…became that. Didn’t it? In the article, Yasmin Nair points to real world examples of people bullying him. I imagine they did so out of a similar feeling of “betrayal”, and sought “justice” too. But how would that achieve it? It wouldn’t. It can’t.

This happened because we separated our actual politics - leftism - from our online activities. Maybe not all of us, but I’d wage at least quite a few. If Current Affairs had failed in the years between the Incident and the start of Jan, 2024, I would’ve thought “sad this happened, but serves him right” with no thought to the actual damage that would’ve done to the real world impacts of losing a magazine like that to left politics.

That’s a failing on my part. It’s a failing that I let my personal grievances with Nathan (Ill-informed as I now know) shut me off completely from Current Affairs as a whole, with all the great writers who work and publish there, then and now.

I remember there was an effort, early on in this site’s history, of making this place more than just a place to shitpost online - to actually be used to organise. It failed, partly because we were small and partly because we were too resistant. There were also onboarding efforts to allow us to grow to mitigate that first problem, but it ran into the second one, our resistance to change, and, well, here we are today. Is there anyone here who remembers those days? What a mess. Since then, a lot of original people who created and did the heavy lifting of maintaining this site, including creatively, left.

I remember enquiring sometime ago, maybe 2022, maybe 2023, about what happened to the writers who left Current Affairs. Have they found other jobs? Where are they working, publishing, podcasting? I wanted to support them. I didn’t figure it out. Some have now deleted their Twitter, others have privated their accounts. Maybe it’s for the best.

Maybe things could’ve been different if we could’ve grown and changed and been the place for atleast left-adjacent people to come by the time Reddit exploded and people started to migrate to Lemmy. Who knows? That’s a different world, and probably also a different post. But at least we could learn something from our mistakes. I am trying to from mine. —

This went in directions I wasn’t expecting. I just typed out my thoughts as they came to me. You don’t really have to read it.

TLDR: “I’m sorry, Nathan” and maybe dunking, without any thing else, is not good.

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[-] ElGosso@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

If you're a union-buster who dresses like you're three question marks away from sending brain-teasers to Batman then I'm going to bully you shrug-outta-hecks

[-] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

I wanna thank you for your comment because now I’m able to formulate a better TLDR: He didn’t do any union-busting and your bullying can harm your supposed political aims in the real world.

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ok yes but he does dress like 2004 Tucker Carlson in a world where bowties are illegal and that can also harm your supposed political aims in the real world.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

like 2004 Tucker Carlson in a world where bowties are illegal

damn but if it ain't true che-laugh

[-] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And the best way to get someone who would definitely just listen if you told them that without hostility is to… insult them on an online forum where they’ll never read it? Sounds like people here just really want to bully others, huh?

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

One of the only active comms is dunk_tank. The entire purpose of this website is bullying of reactionaries, and social imperialists who attack actual socialism are dunk worthy reactionaries.

Do you see yourself reflected in the attacks against him? Is that why you are so upset?

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Do you see yourself reflected in the attacks against him? Is that why you are so upset?

Good and rational discussion among comrades

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

there's little other explanation for such hard Stanning of a milquetoast succ imperialist unless you share those qualities.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

"Maybe we like bullying a little too much for its own sake" is not stanning

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Ruthless criticism of all that exists

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The situation at hand here is not about his views. It’s about people sharpening their pitchforks over something they learned about in a game of telephone.

It’s really odd that people here can acknowledge that the cops and the legal system can ruin the lives of even the most loyal bootlicker or zionists can slander activists to ruin careers, but somehow think they’re immune to being a target of a witch hunt by lazy, uninformed internet posters.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

oh no he's getting cancelled for saying DPRK is a stalinist red fascist authoritarian dictatorship and repeating The Atlantic propaganda! This cancel culture is getting out of controool!!!

Stupidpol

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What the hell are you even on about? OP claims he was a union buster, and the response was no, he was not. He was slandered for failing to purge inefficient and hostile idiots working with him. I don’t care if he thinks Ron Paul is Jesus. You’re just getting upset over some irrelevant shit.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sorry I got mixed up about what thread I was in and had expected that your read the OP post here:

https://hexbear.net/post/1610802?scrollToComments=false

That's what I'm "canceling" him for anyway, as in I think he is a hack fraud social imperialist and his publication is a joke. Sorry to make a leap in your perspective, but yeah this guy sucks big time and we shouldn't be defending him. I hold him in the same respect I hold someone like Robert Evans in.

[-] farting_weedman@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

I know this isn’t a cool or good thing to say, but I read enough of that article to get sick from the saccharine prose and saw the scroll at was only ten percent of the way down.

If whoever njr is didn’t squash a Union attempt at whatever current affairs is, can you explain it here? I’m not reading all that.

[-] regul@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

Various CA employees who treated CA as a writing club that gave them and their friends checks wanted NJR to support hiring a white woman friend of theirs over a WOC and also to let the person hired as an admin assistant write articles and not do admin work. Company had a big long retreat while all this was happening. One item discussed was turning CA into a worker-owned co-op. The workers, who had representation on the board, could have fired NJR at any time and done this themselves. After the retreat, worried about the direction these employees were trying to take CA, NJR asked for their resignations in an indelicate way, but did not have the authority to fire them.

They all publicly announced that they had been fired (they had not) and implied that they could not pay their bills. In reality they had all quit and been given 5 months severance with benefits.

[-] farting_weedman@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

Thank you. I neither expected nor deserved to have someone else wade through this bullshit and then summarize it for me. You’re truly wonderful.

[-] regul@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

If you can't ask these internet weirdos for summaries of internet leftist bullshit, who can you ask?

[-] voight@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

This place rules.

[-] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Really should just name the shitheads so the whole thing can be put to bed

[-] voight@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Now this might strike some viewers as harsh,

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

your bullying can harm your supposed political aims in the real world.

were talking about a newspaper here what are we a bunch of trots?

shit at least trot pubs are run by an org idek what sort of political aims a random succdem rag accomplishes.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

were talking about a newspaper here

If leftists will blindly go along with ruining this guy's career over made up bullshit, we could easily do it to someone who matters more.

The lesson here is to actually investigate accusations of misconduct, not to write this off as OK because the guy doesn't meet some arbitrary standard of importance.

Edit: We also failed to sniff out the grifting of his accusers, who lied about getting fired and having no money to ask for sympathy money on Venmo. Everyone loves to write off various lefties as grifters, so we should be all over this, right?

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the magazine was overtaken by what Jo Freeman has termed “The Tyranny of Structurelessness.” This is the mistaken idea that informal structures with ill-defined positions are more truly radical and leftist than those with systems of accountability. At Current Affairs, it was assumed that everyone including the business manager and administrative assistant could be a writer.

As a result, there was a disregard for the fundamental importance of the behind-the-scenes work—like business affairs, raising subscriptions, and mailing packages—that goes into creating a magazine, print and online. At Current Affairs, everyone—including every single board member—was an aspiring writer and public intellectual but the actual burden of publishing fell mostly on two editorial staff, Robinson and Gold. Of the two, only Robinson worked at the physical office in New Orleans alongside Silcox and Gauthreaux.

Man I would’ve hated to be Nathan lol. Imagine having to be nice to a bunch of pretentious hippies while doing all the leg work. He needed to channel his inner purge-2

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

We have so many jonkler emotes and yet not a single rizzler emote.

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