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[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

The early CoD games actually helped inoculate me against the soy brained “the Nazis and soviets are the same” bullshit. Sure, there was some enemy at the gate nonsense. That doesn’t mean a game whose strongest narrative arc is on the eastern front and revolves around the degree of dedication and sacrifice that was found there isn’t neutral at worst. You literally start a mission working in a tank factory and the tutorial is you, the soon to be hero of the Soviet Union and former factory worker, being like “oh shit, Nazis here let’s get in the tank I just finished working on”.

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The first game is a bit cringe when it comes to ussr but cod 2 and especially world at war are just incredible. Was there anything particularly problematic about the depiction of the ussr in world at war? I just remember reznov being exceptionally cool and storming Berlin and having much fun doing so. Been a really long time since i played any

[-] kot@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

They didn't intend Reznov to appear cool, they wanted the player to think he and most of the red army was too brutal and barbaric against the nazis. The game even chastises the player as "just as bad as the other soviets" and "no hero" if you shoot too many unarmed nazis, molotov the railway station ones, etc. They accidentally made their game cool as fuck by allowing you to btfo the nazis though, kind of in a

"look at those evil Soviets? Isn't this bad??" soypoint-2

"no, it fucking rules" soviet-chad

sort of way

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But they made Reznov the legit hero in black ops. The coolest character literal lenin makes a revolution by breathing.

Reznov is legit the coolest character ever.

The ending of waw was the most powerful moment I've ever seen. Raising the flag on the Reichstag

[-] kot@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They also put him in an actual gulag, and made his fellow Soviets betray him for no reason. They probably realized they accidentally made him too cool, so they made him into "one of the good Russians" in the sequel.

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

He actually wasn’t the hero he died in prison for believing in the communist ideal too much and overshadowing the Soviet leadership by being a well known war hero. Everything after that was Mason’s delusion.

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Black ops 1 is a cia psyop i refuse

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To us, the Molotov subway scene is a “hell yeah burn alive you nazi fucks” moment. To the average liberaloid it’s “barbaric” to not simply spend a bullet on easing their denazification.

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

But you get the choice as the player what you do so they can't even say that. The entire waw campaign for ussr is honestly god tier its the only thing i feel gives even 10% the respect the red army deserves

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I didn’t know the option not to existed…

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

You just shoot them and reznov is a little disappointed but respects your option. His dialogue beforehand is asking you to choose they wait for a bit on you.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

......damn it, you sold me; I'm buying a CoD game, but I'm using G2A; I ain't putting a dime in their pockets.

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Correct only buy waw second hand

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

World at war imo is the only cod game worth buying

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Thanks, I actually think I got an old copy of that somewhere (for console), and will have to get around to playing it

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

To the average liberaloid it’s “barbaric” to not simply spend a bullet on easing their denazification.

Now now, let's be honest: they'd probably prefer if you could arrest them; after all they're just Nazis, not brown freedom fighters.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

After reading recently about the treatment Hess got, yeah….

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

The intended message of the Soviet campaign for world at war was supposed to show the player the brutality of the Soviet army in its vengeful campaign against the Germans. There is a moral mechanic that isn’t present in the American campaign at all where certain decisions affect the ending of the Soviet campaign. Things like executing surrendering Germans is a bad decision and will give you the evil ending for example.

The obvious problem with this is killing Nazis is cool and good so it kinda flys over your head as the player and the message is kinda lost. It also didn’t help that they made Reznov easily one of the most memorable characters in the entire cod franchise.

[-] Yurt_Owl@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

They tried to make me feel bad but it wasnt working. Reznov is my Lenin

Secure the keys (Obtain the keys from the guard).
Ascend from darkness (Take the elevator to get to the surface).
Rain fire (Use the slingshot to destroy the guard towers).
Unleash the horde (Rally the prisoners with the broadcast system in Vorkuta).
Skewer the winged beast (Shoot down the helicopter).
Wield a fist of iron (Acquire the Death Machine).
Raise Hell (Storm the prison guards).
Freedom (Escape the prison).
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