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Image is of legal adviser to Israel's foreign ministry Tal Becker and British jurist Malcolm Shaw at the ICJ hearing.


The ICJ case against Israel might not achieve much for the Palestinian cause directly, given that Israeli politicians have explicitly stated that the Hague will not stop them - and I believe them. The Resistance will be what stops them, and they are doing quite well for themselves. Hezbollah has hit highly sensitive and important Israeli military sites over the last couple weeks, and in general persist in several border attacks every day. The battles in Iraq and Syria also continue. Hamas remains largely intact, and is successfully forcing Israeli forces in the northern Gaza Strip to retreat, and other parts of the Gazan Resistance are continuing to battle down in Khan Yunis. And, last but not least, Yemen is firmly dedicated to the blockade, warding off another ship literally minutes before I started writing this paragraph.

What the ICJ is battling over isn't Palestine and Israel - not really - but the legitimacy of international law itself, and to what degree victimized countries can rely on it to solve problems, versus needing to take more militant routes for justice. In a weird sense, it might be an L for Israel either way. If international law sides with Palestine, then when Israel refuses to stop, it will invalidate international law. If international law sides with Israel, then it will invalidate international law. There is no conceivable way for the West to come out of this looking good.

The South African portion detailing Israeli atrocities against Gaza was largely ignored by the western media. They have instead, obviously, decided to focus on the Israeli portion. Their defense appears to amount to "We didn't do it, Hamas did it. And if we did do it, it doesn't matter, because that's just urban warfare for you. Please get this whole thing thrown out on a very dubious technicality so we don't have to advance to the next stage."

From Craig Murray, who has been physically going to the Hague:

It is important to realise this. Israel is hoping to win on their procedural points about existence of dispute, unilateral assurances and jurisdiction. The obvious nonsense they spoke about the damage to homes and infrastructure being caused by Hamas, trucks entering Gaza and casualty figures, was not serious. They did not expect the judges to believe any of this. The procedural points were for the court. The rest was mass propaganda for the media.

...I am sure the judges want to get out of this and they may go for the procedural points. But there is a real problem with Israel’s “no dispute” argument. If accepted, it would mean that a country committing genocide can simply not reply to a challenge, and then legal action will not be possible because no reply means “no dispute”. I hope that absurdity is obvious to the judges. But they may of course wish not to notice it…

What do I think will happen? Some sort of “compromise”. The judges will issue provisional measures different to South Africa’s request, asking Israel to continue to take measures to protect the civilian population, or some such guff. Doubtless the State Department have drafted something like this for President of the court Donoghoe already.

I hope I am wrong. I would hate to give up on international law. One thing I do know for certain. These two days in the Hague were absolutely crucial for deciding if there is any meaning left in notions of international law and human rights. I still believe action by the court could cause the US and UK to back off and provide some measure of relief. For now, let us all pray or wish, each in our way, for the children of Gaza.


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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The ICJ case has all the popular support, the only people that oppose it are those who I call "temporarily embarrassed Europeans" or "apartheid beneficiaries". They make up a small minority of the population, but are unfortunately very vocal.

People would support giving aid to Palestine, I know that some groups already do, it's just a question of weather South Africa is in a position to do such on a large scale. We're still a poor global south country after all.

State of communism is weird in South Africa. The SACP, and a lot of big communist organisations, are still invested in stagism or two stage theory, which explains their alliance with the ANC. Others think that it's time for the next revolutionary stage.

There's always labour struggles, strikes, protests and political action in South Africa, because the state of the working class is not great. Just yesterday a community near where I lived attempted to close a major road to protest their living conditions.

The media propaganda push in films and pop culture by the imperialist triad countries (US, Europe, Japan) is very successful in making their countries look good, I know a lot of weebs that want to live in Japan because of anime (despite them being black and Japan being very racist towards black people), many that see the US as nice and relate with mainstream black culture in the US, or admire Europe. At the same time though, people are very much aware of the imperialism carried out by these countries in the past and present and heavily dislike it, and are are also very aware of racism in the USA and the bigger European countries. So there is still a heavy dislike of that. It's complicated. Though I do know of those that were privileged enough to go to Europe for school trips, temporary work or vacation, and left disillusioned due to the racism they faced.

Yes BRICS enjoys popular support. Many in South Africa still admire Russia due to the Soviet support in the fight against apartheid. In conversation, people openly suggest supporting Russia against Ukraine and so forth. China is more complicated, buy I think most prefer them to the imperialist powers of Europe and the USA.

Look up Democratic Alliance (DA) and Action SA supporters to see South African liberal brainworms. Rise Mzanzi supporters for radical liberal brainworms. DA brainworms is standard white liberal stuff, action SA adds a bit of weird black christian nationalism with liberal economics.

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