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[-] dipshit@lemmy.world 159 points 9 months ago

Genital mutilation under the guise of “easier to clean” is stupid. Cutting off your legs also makes them easier to clean.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 89 points 9 months ago

What's even funnier to me is how people will full on rage when someone brings up female genital mutilation while in the same breath saying circumcision is fine

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 56 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they're used to it.

But I also think there's an element of (understandable) insecurity to it.

If they concluded that mutilating the penises of babies is wrong, then that makes their penis "wrong", and society is really weird and judgemental about penises. There's a huge amount of pressure applied to men about their genitals.

We constantly talk about big dicks and "big dick" energy. Casually saying someone has a small, soft, or ugly dick is seen as a scathing insult, we constantly mock people for it, both in life and in media. Comments about their penises is something used to build up or knock down men. It's used to make them feel powerful and manly, or weak and emasculated.

It's no wonder people rally so hard against those who want to see an end to male genital mutilation. The very victims of it typically don't want to feel like their dick is "wrong", because society at large has told them that if their dick is bad, they aren't real men.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

I think it's important that circumcised people realize that their body isn't wrong, but rather the procedure is wrong (without a medically necessary reason).

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 13 points 9 months ago

People will defend the most batshit insane things just because they're used to it.

ITT…

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 52 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Dude, yeah. It’s so weird.

I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.

Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me ‘you should have done it’, because he would get infections (he never did), or he’d be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.

The pressure was really intense, though. It’s weird how interested people can be in someone else’s infant’s penis. We’ve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume he’s happy being uncut, and I’m glad I didn’t do it.

e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:

Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if it’s too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying I’d made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I don’t want to talk about it cuz that’s weird, do you regret my decision?

Son: I don’t, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasn’t too personal.

Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partners’ review!

So yeah, it’s not just my assumptions. And no regrets.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

he’d be bullied in gym showers

what? why would people be seeing your kids genitals in a gym shower? That makes no sense

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[-] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Where the hell did this infections BS come from? I've got mine and have never had any infections or am I just really lucky?

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[-] Microw@lemm.ee 30 points 9 months ago

The main problem is that people tend to intuitively think of the least invasive form of male circumcision and the most horrific form of female genital mutilation.

For both genders, all kinds of forms exist

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

the least invasive form of male circumcision

Is what's in these discussions.

the most horrific form of female genital mutilation.

Is there any other kind in regular discussion? When people refer to FGM, they're not talking about labiaplasty (which would be a more appropriate comparison).

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

labiaplasty (which would be a more appropriate comparison).

How are you coming to this conclusion?

The foreskin has more nerve endings than the glans, and double that of the clitoris. The labia in contrast has much fewer nerve endings, which is why sexual stimulation is not easily accomplished with simply stimulating the labia. Possible? Yes. But not nearly to the same degree as clitoral stimulation.

Edit: Given the lack of elaboration, I’ll have to assume the conclusions reached by a gut reaction of “skin is skin” which is not at all how this works.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago

That wasn't the original reason. It was to stop masturbation. The whole cleaning thing was a later rationalization when they realized how fucked up it was.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Jokes on them. Masterbation has never been in higher demand.

[-] Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 7 points 9 months ago

Everyone has been side lined by the tobacco industry nobody stopped to look at the moisturiser industry.

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[-] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I like mine cut tbh; I think it looks nice.

[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

That's fine, as long as that isn't used as a justification to normalize this procedure's continued use without medical necessity.

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[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I mean, people just like what they're used to.

If you never got circumcised, you'd likely be saying "I prefer uncut. Looks a bit weird with a piece missing."

I'm willing to bet if you surveyed, say, Israel or Saudi Arabia, on what looks better between chopped and natural, they'll say circumcised. And if you surveyed, say, Australia or Spain, they'll say uncircumcised looks better.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

High five to uncut team

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[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

First I agree with you. Need to say that first.

If you go back to the beginning of this procedure, how(/if) people cleaned themselves looks very different from. Our modern world.

Because of that it seems it being a health issue is a lot more likely for the origin of circumscision as a regular societal practice. Even if that was not the main reason but one of the supporting reasons people allowed it to become normalized. The history of hygiene(or the lack there of) is horrifying.

I mean Lysol was developed as a feminine hygiene product... We have done some very questionable things because of snakeoil practices even in relatively modern times (which i think religion is one of the OG snakeoils)

What are we doing today that will look as crazy to the people of the future as circumcision does to many of us right now I wonder?

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