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Would it be so hard to include penile in there as well.
The OP isn't great. The actual law is fairly clear that men are included.
This is copied from a reply I made further down, about the actual law:
Uhh so where’s the part about a vagina going over a penis?
§2.1 Vaginal Sexual Contact. It's contact between a penis and vagina or vulva. There's no directionality to it. It's only about consent that defines who raped whom. If a woman forces contact between a penis and her vagina or vulva, she raped him with vaginal sexual contact.
No, but men can't be victims of such things anyway, didn't you know? ^/s
It did, as the law was simply broadened to include more information ... not wiped clean to only have the new information.
Their point is that the broadened law does not appear to clearly and obviously cover men being raped by women.
For instance, is it rape under this new law for a woman to forcibly use her hand to jerk off a man without his consent? If not, then shouldn't it be?
Shouldn't the law state that forcible and nonconsensual contact with a penis is a crime?
Do you have a copy of the new law to prove it doesn't say anything about non-consensual contact?
Laws tend to be documented quite well. https://legiscan.com/NY/text/S08008/2023
Appreciate that. Thanks.
No. But it is also not rape under this law for a man to forcibly use his hand to jerk off a woman.
If a woman makes non consensual contact with a mans penis using her vagina, mouth, or anus, that is rape under this law.
Perhaps the law should cover it. But the absense of hand-genital contact in the law is gender neutral.
From the top comment of this thread:
From the bill (track changes removed):
https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2023/S3161
Important to also not this:
It does include raping a man orally explicitly in this. No hand stuff is included for anyone. The OP had poor wording, but the law seems fine. Maybe it should be expanded to using hands and other things to rape as well, but it doesn't exclude men. The way the law is written, it isn't rape to penetrate anyone with a dildo, for example. Also, a woman can't rape a woman except for orally in this law.
It has some oversight, but the oversight is not men, it's just certain methods.
Lol they bent the meaning of words to avoid making rape rape
Of course they did
Penile penetration?
Docking and urethrae insertion are a thing, but penetration is clearly not the sole definer because this change is about sexual contact.
Ah. I see what you're saying.