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[-] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 7 points 7 months ago

Oh man I learned about "Defending the Undefendable" last month. It's amazing to see the original source of all the stupidest arguments I've seen around the internet.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It is not only a pretty dumb book (loved by libertarian logicbros), but it also has for some reason a homophobic cartoon in it. It was really weird, and it came out of nowhere in the bit about stripmining (it also strawmans the anti-stripmining people). Content warning, but here it is. (I was so 'wtf' when I read this I made a screenshot of the cartoon when I read the book years ago, and now I'm thinking of this comment by David). Note it is a book from 1976, so that makes it even weirder in a way, you could say 'ha, the point was to upset people, he got you!' but this was before the aids crisis even, being a homophobe wasn't something that was that unpopular.

E: and forgot to mention, one of the funny things of the book is that he defends Ebenezer Scrooge, as being a penny pincer is good or something, but that wasn't the main point of a Christmas Carol, his misanthropy is way more a point that him being a miser, his lack of connection to the rest of humanity is the problem (and well him ranting about 'surplus population').

[-] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 7 months ago

Oh, so that's where the punching someone when you see a yellow car/VW beetle thing comes from. Interesting to note that of all the customs to observe in a social encounter (such as "don't suddenly punch people for stupid reasons") Duncan chooses the convention mostly followed by tween boys for the purpose of annoying each other.

Anyway, I guess the book fails to defend the undefendable, then? Seems pretty obvious, to be honest.

[-] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No I was just ranting about that book and libertarians, I have no idea where the game comes from. And yeah Duncan picked a really bad example (just as the book does) to defend his points.

[-] bitofhope@awful.systems 4 points 7 months ago

Oh I was referring to David's post. I was just surprised the punch bug thing was international.

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