What is the best way for a society to address adolescent autonomous agency, responsibility, and consent? (lemmy.world)

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I recall many times growing up when I felt like my inalienable fundamental human rights were violated in unjust autocratic ways, mostly at school. There was also the time of being a year older than my partner but the potential of ridiculous arbitrary laws having major consequences.

I feel like the age of 18 as some kind of moral benchmark is ridiculous. I feel like it is just tied to the age of conscription. Basing sexual morality on the age when the state can abduct and murder without recourse is nonsense. Most of us likely exist in a duality where we might cringe at "underage" of any kind, but not think twice when a couple of teens are dating and in a physical consensual relationship that is respectful and private.

So from a distant future culture's perspective, like if Star Trek TNG existed in hard SciFi, and there is no need for our present arbitrary policy enforcement, what should be the basis of adolescent autonomous agency?

Maybe it is weening, cultural pressures, and education.
Maybe it is full independence and self sufficiency.

For the record, this is my favored idea as it pressures society to enable a balanced financial early life and opportunities. It also adjusts to account for real world maturity levels. IMO, it is either this or number 1 as these are derived from individual human life phases.

Maybe you think it should be something else?

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[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

There are things kids cannot consent to, but if you are asking about a utopian society where children were not at risk of abuse of any sort? I would say not an age based system but a competence based system. So prove you are able to do the things you want to do, and be allowed to do them. I'd still mandate education, but again, less age segregation, take classes as you are ready for them, move at your pace.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

How would you address a situation where an adult does not qualify for a critical threshold that prevents them from being self sufficient?

The guy that disabled me was exactly this situation.

[-] Phanatik@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago

They may not qualify in that moment so it's necessary to educate them until they can qualify. If you don't know how to drive, go back to taking driving lessons until you can pass the test.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The problem is that when a social system fails to address alternatives, the test changes to accommodate.

[-] Phanatik@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah I suppose that's what's happening with cops where they have to keep lowering standards otherwise they wouldn't have so many people becoming cops rather than raising the quality of education to make them better. Instead they just make it easier for shitty people to become cops.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

Age is a good way to do it because while we don't want kids to be given too much power, we also don't want adults' power to be taken away.

Having to earn freedoms through competency tests means that freedom is a privilege and not a right, and that's a bad core belief for a society to hold.

[-] RBWells@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Freedoms are ours regardless of who we are, those are inherent to being a person. So bodily autonomy for instance, that belongs to everyone, competent or not, there's no relevant exam you could take to assess that. (Though I guess technically I did not let my kids wipe themselves until they'd practiced a few times and I knew they were competent) But things like driving and smoking, using intoxicants and working or making contractual agreements or handling and using weapons, and most jobs that are currently unlicensed, I think you need to show you understand enough to do those, and that different people are able to at different ages. And yes some people will never be competent enough to handle weapons or vehicles.

I will wholeheartedly agree that age is a good threshold for things like body modification, and also think there's a problem with "who decides what constitutes competence" but since OP said this was in a perfect world, I do mostly think what you can do safely with understanding is what you should be free to do.

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