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all the marble statue twitter guys finding out all their idols were really really gay (hexbear.net)

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago

Were the Greek the type to think anal sex with another man was okay as long as you weren't the bottom?

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 9 months ago

My understanding is that that's pop history and that the ancient Greeks were very, extremely, violently homophobic. MLM sex was about the worst thing you could do and if you got caught you'd be publicly shamed for the rest of your life if not outright killed.

This post calling Alexander the Great gay is questionable too but eh.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 4 points 9 months ago

Probably need more reading on this, pederasty feels like it would have been pretty common

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 months ago

It's agony trying to find sources that are specific and contemporary. Aristotle mentioned pederasty in the Nicomachean Ethics saying that it's a morbid state of character that arises from men who are either naturally brutish or who were abused as children.

...and others are morbid states (C) resulting from custom, e.g. the habit of plucking out the hair or of gnawing the nails, or even coals or earth, and in addition to these paederasty; for these arise in some by nature and in others, as in those who have been the victims of lust from childhood, from habit.

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

What about the greeks virulently hating homosexuality?

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago

You know what, I can't find any contemporary sources that hate on gay men directly and I'm getting tired of reading this junk so I'll leave it at "just trust me bro".

I will say that they saw marriage as between a man and a woman for the purpose of breeding good citizens for the state. People who wouldn't pair up and reproduce were punished socially and maybe even legally. So you can imagine what the Greeks thought of gay people (how many ancient gay spouses can you name?)

...Then let us now proceed to marriage, and teach persons in what way they shall beget children, threatening them, if they disobey, with the terrors of the law.

Cle. What do you mean?

Ath. The bride and bridegroom should consider that they are to produce for the state the best and fairest specimens of children which they can.

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 2 points 9 months ago

That's fine, it's not super important. I'm glad modern nationalism has the same root cause for hating gay people.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 months ago

Ya it's refreshing how candid they were, even. Modern nationalists bend over backwards to make it seem like what they're doing is deeper than what it is but ancient Greeks would stare straight into the camera and say "I command you to breed"