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Mozilla names new CEO as it pivots to data privacy
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this post was submitted on 08 Feb 2024
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They should focus more on their mobile browser. At this point the desktop browser is on par with Chrome. People who use Chrome does it because they don't care enough about privacy, but on mobile there is a noticeable difference between their performances.
Apple needs to allow 3rd party browser engines.
They will in the EU. Hopefully it's easy to game the system and sideload a non-safari browser in the future.
This would still force Mozilla to support two browsers on iOS, one for Europe and another for the rest of the world.
Mozilla has 0 browsers for iOS except a skin over Safari.
So really it would just be a browser for the EU and nothing for everyone else.
I think they need to integrate better with their paid offerings to build additional revenue streams. For example, Mozilla VPN works with Container Tabs, but I had to look for it; that's a pretty killer feature IMO. Make it work on mobile too and a lot of people would be interested. Maybe they could white label a password manager (Bitwarden?) as an alternative to their built-in PW manager service, and make the experience really good. Throw in Relay as well.
There's a lot they could do with opt-in, privacy-centric features that I would be totally interested in.
not sure starting at which version, but in android you can set bitwarden as a default password manager system wide which integrates pretty seamlessly with firefox and other apps. only place i know bitwarden doesn't really integrate well with firefox is on Linux but that seems more due to bitwardens lack of interest to implement freedesktop apis.
i agree though with additional revenue streams, they need to break dependence on Google search engine revenue. maybe spend research on alternative monitization to ads and sponsored content that could be implemented at a browser level and split revenue between browser and websites.
Yeah, I was super stoked when Brave announced that, but it went nowhere.
I have ideas here as well. Basically, Firefox would integrate some kind of micro-transaction system where you could load up some amount of money, then you pay per view for a given website and it deducts from that balance, and in exchange you get no paywall or ads. Or if you don't pay, you'll see privacy-respecting ads served by Mozilla, and Mozilla would make monthly payments to the website with MTX and ad revenue to preserve privacy.
This would be opt-in by website of course, and hopefully they can get enough websites to opt in to matter. I would be happy to spend like $10/month or whatever to not have any more paywalls and not have to make accounts everywhere.
But yeah, there are a ton of privacy-respecting monetization options, so hopefully the new interim CEO has some ideas. A good model here could attract new users while also securing Mozilla's revenue for the future.
I'm no cryptography expert but I don't see how they could implement this with true anonymity or without it being spoofed in other browsers. There is currently no way to know with absolute certainty what browser/client web traffic is actually coming from and game anti-cheat devs will probably tell you it's a nightmare of a problem.
The way I see this working is making it a Mozilla account thing and not a Firefox thing through some sort of stateless cross-origin cookie the sites agree to support. But then, you're giving up at least some privacy because even if the sites you visit don't know who you are, you'll still have to trust that Mozilla is logging anonymized visit counts and that some CEO 5 years from now isn't going to change that for a quick buck.
Maybe I'm just out of my depth here and someone's gonna correct me (please do if I'm wrong).
Here's the way I see it working:
Each week (or more often), you get a new signed token with no reference to the old signed token. In the event that you use more than your agreed-on balance, you must pay the difference or you won't get a new token. So here's the information each party needs to know:
The only way Mozilla could know your identity is by sending data from your browser that links id info (i.e. Mozilla account details) with that stable payment id. Mozilla could even move the stable id and token generation to a separate legal entity entirely (say, an extension) with publicly audited data transfers w/ Mozilla, and Mozilla just gets a summary from each client (unrelated to the payment id, signed by the extension) so they know which sites were visited with what frequency. They would get a bill from sites based on usage, which they'd compare with the data collected from individual browsers to sort out payment.
In terms of user experience, you'd just get a prompt from the extension asking whether you'd like to see ads and the cost, and if you choose ads, the header would include that info as well (i.e. process this payment token as ads or cash) and Firefox would serve privacy-respecting ads from Mozilla's domain.
I haven't fully ironed out the details, but I think this proves feasibility.
I'm on Linux and have used Bitwarden for years. If it is better on some other os, I don't know how. I'm certainly not feeling a need for improvement.
main difference is auto fill support and detection based on domain and/or application. mainly saves a few clicks and also prevents passwords from leaking through clipboards.
Honestly I think its the opposite. The UI on desktop look awful and is clunky. The mobile version is nice and pleasant.
I use FF and the desktop and don't care about the look of the UI. I'm happy FF is fast and doesn't have memory leaks.
Making the mobile experience better will go further with helping Mozilla in general than making the desktop UI look pretty.
There is no tablet UI (yet, they seem to be finally working on it after years of users waiting). Firefox for Android is clearly languishing, and being lapped by various Chromium-based browsers.
Google and Mozilla in unison, reminded that some crazy people buy tablets: "oh yeah, huh"
Though mobile FF is miles ahead imo, since you can't have extensions on mobile chrome, it's not even in the running. FF just launched a few hundred more add-ons for mobile like two months ago, but there have been a dozen+ ones for a few years now. uBO > no uBO, full stop, no question. And Privacy Possum, and Dark Reader, and CleanURLs, and...
E: oh and forks of FF having about:config access is just chefs kiss
Google has actually been putting a lot more energy into tablets lately. And that's not counting foldables
I've never used it on a tablet. On my phone it is a way better experience for me compared to something like Cromite. It just is much simpler in terms of UI. (I actually use Mull but it is the same in most regards)
Yes, I use it on a phone, where it is the best browser available despite its flaws
Check out Lepton on GitHub - it's amazing. Very easy to install, open source and makes Firefox look fucking gorgeous.
https://github.com/hackjutsu/Lepton ? I do not follow how this is relevant?
Sorry - for some reason the project is named Lepton, but the repo isn't? Here it is: https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix
Gotta remember that next time I bring it up!