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Baby in Missouri dies after mother mistakenly puts her in oven for nap
(www.theguardian.com)
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Mistakenly??
Sleep deprivation is a monster.
I suffer from chronic and sometimes severe insomnia. About ten years ago something triggered a "severe" episode and it refused to let up. After about two months of ~90 minutes of light sleep per 24 hour period, my mind began to shatter. I won't get into details here about how bad it got, but I can totally see how someone could accidentally put a raw chicken in the crib and the baby in the oven.
I also suffer from insomnia - I regularly get 3 hours of sleep per night, and rarely get more than 6 (rarely as in 1-2 times per month). For a week and a half or so, though, after a death in the family, I was getting between 0 and a half hour per night, with obviously no deep sleep.
I developed severe ataxia (I couldn’t walk without a cane), I lost the ability to speak coherently and it would take me minutes to form a sentence. I couldn’t follow conversations, and my appetite decreased to the point where I was down to about 50-100 calories per day (eg, I could sometimes manage a can of coke).
When your brain starts to shut down, things really go south pretty fast. I managed to kickstart things using those meal substitute drinks (which I’d consume by chugging it in one go), and eventually my eating and normal 3-6 hour sleep pattern came back, but I was probably about 24-48 hours away from needing an ambulance.
Luckily I live with my partner and although I put them into a panic, I didn’t have to manage the house/pets and just took sick leave from work. Even after going back, it took some time to return to my normal level of working. At the peak, I would have been absolutely incapable of operating if I lived alone.
When my insomnia hits it's days of zero sleep... Like I see the 3 hours of sleep and I immediately (and unfairly) dismiss that you have insomnia, I'm just like, "bro, but you ARE getting sleep").
As I got my things under control I pivoted to Polyphasic sleep anyway. 1 30min nap every 6hrs and I absolutely adore it. Extra exertion or any kind of injury will warrant more rest, but then, thats resting with a purpose.
My god. Having a kid and only getting a few hours per night for half a year drove me to the brink, it's genuinely chilling to imagine what you've been through. I hope you're sleeping more now.
We got the "don't shake the baby" talk at the hospital. It was extremely over the top and patronising. It made a lot more sense later however. What was obvious and extremely patronising when rested and alert, barely cut through the fog, once sleep exhaustion kicks in. I can fully understand how parents can shake their baby to death, with no ill intent.
A baby in the oven sounds bad, but I can see it happening, under the wrong circumstances, with the wrong person.
(Oh, and my daughter made it to almost 2 before reliably sleeping through the night. The sleep deprivation was hellish.)
We had a good run of keeping a solid bedtime ritual between 6 months and 3 years where ours would sleep through the night. Then we found out our kid is a morning person with ADHD. 🪦
We've both got ADHD, so I definitely feel for you. Thankfully, our daughter seems to be more of a night owl. Not perfect, but a lot easier to cope with than an ADHD lark would be!
I would almost prefer to have it myself, so at least then I'd know what they're going through.
It has like 73% heritability. Surely they got it from one of y'all? I've just started exploring a diagnosis in my 30s, and holy hell is it helping me make sense both of why I struggle so much and why my dad's so bonkers. Really recommend working with some professionals. I'm working on a degree in psych and can navigate the criteria from the DSM fairly well but I'm also working with individual and family therapists to help me and my family work through the hell it caused us from not knowing, plus how I can better understand/manage it moving forward
We're pretty sure the wife has it. I'm more or less the least diagnosable person in my social circles, to my unending chagrin and everyone else's general incredulity
Mental illness or drugs could definitely cause this. She could be lying, but she might not be.
-Mom
If I had to guess, the mother had to have been high on something. How the hell does someone mistake an oven for a crib?
Love how people always jump straight to drugs, but there's a variety of mental illnesses both permanent and temporary that could cause a mother to do this.
Or even low blood sugar.
Are you suggesting people should assume postpartum depression/psychosis when they see stories like this?
What quick conclusion should people arrive at in your opinion
I'd wait for relevant information before arriving at a conclusion, but that's just me.
No way I have about a minute to read the headline, make my assumption, comment, and move on to the the next lem
There's an extra 'the' in there that you missed though.
The theoretical world is awesome. Let's pretend we are in the real world where it's much more disappointing
Wait are we not in the real world? Where are we??!
Oh true, I love the information superhighway! The interactions are so unhealthy, sometimes I can't even distinguish it from the real world anymore! :P
People should stop being dumb af and wait until we have all of the information, but this is also on journalism too since there's so much emphasis on "if it bleeds it leads" and other reasons to pump out an incomplete story, they should emphasize on accuracy instead and make a bigger deal out of retractions and corrections, especially in this age of disinformation and propaganda.
I'm with you 100%, but if we take a journey in the real world for a second, I'd appreciate an answer to my question.
Also, as an aside, if you hear of a baby dying from being put into an oven mistakenly - what is your raw reaction as a human? Do you just say "oh goobers." Or do you start poking at how this could happen? If you do start to poke, who or what do you poke first and why?
My reaction is "how fucking awful" and this would be my reaction regardless of how the baby came to be in the oven. What other reaction do you expect people to have? Why are you seemingly equating waiting to be properly informed with not caring about the subject?
We're on a comment thread on Lemmy, we're not involved in investigating this case. I don't see why we'd be "poking" around.
Like the other commenter I think "how fucking awful" then read the story, then wait for more details when the details are lacking.
Again, in this age of disinformation and propaganda you have to exercise some discipline and critical thinking, and not jump to conclusions, also this is the real world, and people in the real world need to gain some discipline and critical thinking abilities, because it seems far too few of us have those abilities. I mean ffs we could find out tomorrow that this whole thing was an AI generated article that didn't really happen, just like how the recent "toothbrush botnet hack" story that went viral this week was fake.
Being snoopy so you can feed something inside of you is silly at best. If that's all you're after go read a mystery novel.
Are you the lead investigator on this? Please do let us know what you find since you actually have access to the necessary evidence.
Otherwise, tf are you on about?
You make a great counter example of what not to do. So, none, they shouldn't be making a quick conclusion on a complex topic. Like the above comment...
How about no quick conclusion?
I have never in my life heard of roasting a baby outside Hansel and Gretel.
I have, however, heard about a LOT of drug use.
That would suggest we have an extremely complex situation here with no "quick" answer.
I would guess this one is mostly sleep depervation and poor diet.
Tuna casseroles are cheap, but they are not very nourishing. But that only begins to explain this one.
Which absolutely sounds like textbook post partum depression going too far.
Sounds about right to me.
Also sounds like psychosis that you can't blame on a drug.
Runs deeper than that.
Why do people keep assuming the crib would be in the kitchen? Or that a crib is the only place we put babies? There's basinets, bounce chairs, high chairs, play pens, strollers, car seats, and all kinds of other things where a parent can put a baby while they do things around the house, like cooking and cleaning in the kitchen.
This is how you tell people you have never been severely sleep deprived without telling people you've never been severely sleep deprived.
Maybe she swapped the two putting the roast in the crib.
You could guess a multitude of things. My money is sleep deprivation. A lack of sleep can really fuck some people up. Different people have different tolerances for it.