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Alexei Navalny was pronounced dead
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Weird how western media is all over Navalny when Assange is being tortured in solitary as we speak. I guess the reason is shared values https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yba-LJ8clgc
also some mainstream western media reporting on Navalny
In 2021, a BBC article reported even Amnesty International was forced to strip Navalny's "prisoner of conscience" status for the violence and hate he unremorsefully promoted https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56181084
That same month, US government-funded Radio Free Europe likewise was forced to concede Navalny's extremist background https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-failure-to-renounce-nationalist-past-support/31122014.html
The difference in discourse on an open platform compared to a corporate walled garden in a nutshell.
Is not "shared values," the main reason is that Navalny pushes the current USA narrative/propaganda of "Putin bad." Not defending or saying Putin is a saint, sometimes, the best way to push Propaganda messaging is to use convient truths when applicable or when they align. This is not new, like at all. Russia, China, the UK, et al do it.
Assange does not push that narrative, quite the opposite that the USA Goverment can be highly hypocritical and that it can also commit war crimes and that it spies on its citizens, like what Snowden revealed, too. This is why the USA has tried to made Assange's life a total living hell and the main stream media barely touches on it.
Remember when the NYT, among others sold lies from the Feds to push the war on Iraq? I 'member.
Not the best bit this touches on it.
https://fair.org/home/20-years-later-nyt-still-cant-face-its-iraq-war-shame/
What was Navalny's alleged crime and what is Assange's alleged crime?
Navalny is a far right nationalist and white supremacist and was charged with establishing an extremist community. The RFA and BBC articles I linked in the comment you're replying to provide the details. Assange's crime was reporting on US military murdering civilians in cold blood.
Do you think that that history makes his more recent, significant anti-corruption, anti-putin work in Russia void, and that these things cannot be discussed separately? Is the good/evil juxtaposition absolute in the real world?
He hasn't done any significant anti-corruption work in Russia. And even if he did, that doesn't change the fact that he's a fascist. The fact that you're defending a fascist here says all I need to know about you as a person.
That's an amazing counterpoint you've mustered there. Bye.
oh look a lost redditor appears
again, deflection. cant take onwership so rhey have to deflect.
There's nothing to deflect here. Anybody who has a clue about Russian politics would know that there is zero reason to kill Navalny given that he had no actual support in Russia and was already in jail. One has to be an utter ignoramus to genuinely believe that he posed some sort of a threat to Putin. However, what's far more interesting is why westerners have such fervent support for a white supremacist and a right wing nationalist. Although given what the west is supporting in Gaza currently, maybe it's not such a hard question to answer.
nope, deflection. youre now just saying hes not worth murdering as if putin hasnt been willing to kill him before with poison. absolute horseshitter
Nope, that's just a straw man you're using. Nowhere did I say anything about murdering anybody. However, I'd love to know how you know he was murdered. The fact that you made up a claim and then accuse me of something I didn't say says all I need to know about you.
Your own source above states that he was the victim of a nerve agent attack. Are you going to claim that was just a coincidence or lying western media now? Do you honestly think anyone takes your comments seriously?
The only person who shouldn't be taken seriously is the one who thinks FSB couldn't have killed Navalny if they actually wanted to.
So the source you just used as evidence to prove your argument is now untrustworthy because it contradicts you? How convenient.
Also a bit hilarious that you're arguing that the FSB are such seasoned assassins that they always get their man while trying to claim that Russia wouldn't try to assassinate someone.
Imagine not being able to understand the difference between capability and intent. We have a serious intellect on our hands here.
You mean like someone intending to make a logical argument but being incapable of it because they're actually spewing propaganda instead?
We should believe the parts of the BBC article that back your argument but not believe the other parts of the same article when they contradict you?
We should believe that Russia has the best, most infallible assassins on the planet, but we should also believe that Russia would never try to assassinate someone?
With such a weak, easily disprovable position, it's pretty obvious why you so quickly shifted to ad hominem attacks rather than trying to defend your position.
you're drunk, go home
crap, they tried to assainate him a year ago. also, it's fucking russia. you gonna claim a 41 year old had a stroke or some shit?
Yeah sure, FSB is so incompetent that they couldn't figure out how to assassinate him in a state hospital and then for some reason let him go to Germany. Russians are the most incompetent assassins on the planet apparently. Meanwhile, he was 47 and had known health issues, so yeah it's not at all unlikely your fascist friend died of a stroke or some shit.
uhhh, yeah they were inept. failed a fucking poisoninf attempt on an airplane. or did he just jntentjoanlly eat a novichok sandwich??
Yeah that must be it, FSB is inept. 😂
Considering how badly they're getting slapped by a nation they dwarf, that's a safe bet.
Like loads of Russian targets which were assassinated in European soil before, you mean?
thank you for your deeply insightful comment
I've already written a long comment about him and his significance to Russia as I see it living here, with all his failings. You can check it in my post history.
He had a lot of shitstains on his white clothes, but what's important - is that he shut up about any of his politics and acted as a clever manager who took everyone in opposition to establishment together, for once they didn't fight each other and acted as a one. It wasn't enough as we see now, and they started to fight each other once again after he was incarcerated, but he tried. And I respect him for that. His death in captivity isn't right.
I didn't have time to research what Assange got at that moment, so I'd not comment on that.
I love when all my racist fascists unify into a single opposition party. Surely they won't do anything untoward like, say, forcing Reichstag members to vote for the Enabling Act in 1933 to give them "temporary" powers, right?
I'd leave a pause for you to feel yourself clever for once.
Now, as it ended, I'd call you a fucking cretin and demand some explanations to your pov.
Navalny is a shit stain of a human being and anybody who defends him or tries to white wash him is utterly morally bankrupt. He has never been an actual opposition to Putin, nor has he gained any popularity. And that's a very good thing because his views are absolutely heinous. The fact that you respect a fascist should make you do a bit of self reflection.
I'd love to have a speak with you IRL.
Not sure we'd have anything productive to talk about to be honest.
Your choice.
But you can check my post history if you want.
From our interactions it sounds like you have liberal views that are aligned with the western mainstream. I'm quite sure that we would disagree on most things, and I don't really see what the value of the discussion would be. I highly doubt we'd change each others minds on anything.
I have anarchistic views I've sharpened by reading Bakunin, Shtirner, Graeber and Crimethinc guys. I teach them to others for what's possible in my prison of nations that Russia is. I do my part as little as it is.
I've supported Navlny not because I agreed to everything he said, but because he was an alternative to outright fascism of Vova. You can call me a platformist for that. I wouldn't care.
Navalny was a literal fascist who was unapologetic white supremacist and you had no problem allying with him. Your opinions can be safely discarded. It's quite telling that you anarchists end up supporting literal fascists when push comes to shove. I really don't care about anything else you might have to say.
I'm fed up with privileged internet commies telling me how I should act. I'd listen to a ukrainian who suffers in a current war, but not you, because we don't even share the common ground and you are easy to start hating me for no reason.
I'm not telling you how to act. I'm just pointing out that you ally yourself with racists and fascists. Other people can judge what you say based on that. I don't really care what people like you do or think. In my experience, there's no reasoning with people like you.
Better question is why you're trying to white wash a fascist here. Nothing funny about that I'm afraid.