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Lol no shit, because guns aren't the issue, 85% of our homicides are from inner-city gang violence. There are 450+ million firearms in civ hands in the USA, if they where the problem you'd know.
Our society is broken, and we need to fix the root cause of our violence, not putting in bullshit laws that criminals will not follow anyways. Did you know that 3xs as many people are killed with knives than ALL rifles combined each year? And 2Xs as many via hands and feet(unarmed)? And that only around 50-100 people a year are killed with the AR-15 platform, this includes the police who kill 1k of us on average a year.
We do not have a gun problem. We've got a society problem and it can be corrected, we just need to have change.
The amount of mass shooting that happen in the states show that there is a gun problem.
Let me guess your going to bring up the gun violence archive right? Yeah we do not have anywhere near the amount claimed. Even motherjones and NPR called out the bullshit from these types of groups.
I only brought up the mass shootings that happen on a daily basis in the states.
Are you going to address that or are you going to continue to blame everything else?
We do not have mass shootings on a daily basis. Again that list has been proven bullshit.
647 mass shootings in the US in 2022.
I’m not mathematician but 647 is more than 365.
Yes the bullshit number. No we haven't had that many mass shootings.
It's well known that mother Jones is super far left, and even they call out the bullshit number. So while you aren't a mathematician, I do hope you're not a gullible person.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year/
You’re linking an article from 2015 to explain a number from 2022 and taking about a webpage being ‘super far-left.’
I’m taking guns and mass shooting events. There are people dead from these.
Do you believe that?
Way to discredit it because it's a few years old. The numbers keep changing because they're bullshit numbers designed for gullible people like you to think that there are mass shootings daily.
Then you might actually want to go check up on your sources...cause the guns violence archive, will label a mass shooting as 4 or more people injured after a firearm has been discharged. So if a gang member shoots are another person during a block party, misses and then cause people to run, the ensuing panic causes people to get hurt... that's now a mass shooting to the GVA.
I find it amusing that you want to talk about anything besides what this conversation is about and that’s guns and mass shootings.
I keep trying to bring the conversation back to this and you keep trying to bring up your taking points.
Why don’t you want to talk about guns and mass shootings?
I have been, I've literally pointed out multiple times how to solve the issues within our society for not just gun violence but overall violence, but you're to stuck on pointing out that it's the guns. You're the type that'll try and put a bandaid on cancer and hope it works. News flash it doesn't.
You are literally claiming that America does not have a mass shooting problem.
Because we don't.
Why are you making suggestions to solve a problem that doesn’t exist?
Because suicides and gang violence is way to high, why are you so against making sure people are secure and don't need to resort to living in poverty? Cause to you, it's just a gun problem and if we magically get rid of the guns everything else is fine.
Reminder, we’re talking about America’s gun problem so discussing guns in that context makes perfect sense.
But you keep trying to shift the topic and score cheap gotchas instead of discussing the problem.
Nooo you don't say I thought I was discussing China's gun problem....I am discussing the problem, you're just to ignorant to understand that trying to ban guns and add more laws isn't going to fix the problem, because you want to give a bandaid to a cancer patient.
Did you conveniently forget handguns in your examples? The statistic shows that firearms are the most used tool for homicides by a huge margin.
Guns: 7936 Unspecified Firearms: 5704 Knives: 1630 Hands, Fists, Feet...: 665 Rifles: 541 ...
Also >50% of all suicides are commited via firearms
And we still haven't talked about all the accidents with guns...
The USA have several big fucking problems and firearms are a huge one.
Nope because everyone seems to want to ban the scary black rifle first. It's why AWBs are constantly brought up.
Congrats for providing the info..I don't know what you are getting at with this. It's literally what I said it was.
No shit? Really? It's like we have an issue with suicide and not guns....go check out Japan's numbers which it's damn near impossible to obtain a firearm...they have a higher suicide rate than us. Wanna blame their rate on guns or something else?
Uhh, more people are killed falling off tractors or drowning in pools than from firearm accidents...granted I don't call them accidents... it's negligence.
Naa, 450+ million firearms in civ hands, if there was a problem it'd be a lot bigger than the 40k deaths a year we have now, which as you said 50+% are suicides(it's closer to 66% btw).
The discussion was clearly about firearms.
I added some context, mainly the fucking insane amount of handgun deaths. Btw, how many rifles do you think are in the unspecified Firearms category?
You have ton of problema and they are compounding. Easy access to guns leads to many impulsive suicides. Usa has a mental health AND an gun problem.
And you are deep in denial.
O...you don't know what the AWB is do you? I'm arguing with someone who has zero clue about the subject matter.
Uhh, again people know this. In fact this "shooting" still is showing no mass shooting motivation and these two juveniles and the others not caught used handguns. We %100 know handguns are the majority of what is used in crime. This isn't a news to anyone who actually knows the topic.
Also very few, why? Because we already know the majority of our firearm violence are via handguns. That unknown number isn't going to magically be all rifles.
Again, care to go check out Japan? Higher rate of suicide, no access to guns. I'm still waiting on why this is from you. Or are you going to continue to ignore basically everything I keep saying and triple down on the "it's the guns" bullshit.
Sounds like you are since you can't be bothered to actually give a fuck to understand what I've been writing up in this thread.
Assault weapons ban. I just don't know what this has to do with a discussion about way to many firearm deaths and mass shootings. It would be a step, but unless you also regulate handguns its not enough.
Just as a reminder, this comment by another user sparked your rant about rifles:
So thats why I added the context of handguns.
What are you referring to?
Conservative Society, huge conformity pressure, stigma on mental problems and more factors lead to a high suicide rate. But without access to a quick and easy way to end your life it's harder to kill yourself.
Yeah, you are the only one in this thread who understands it.
Because that's the first thing that gets pushed over and over. It's feel good virtue signaling that will do nothing to reduce our violence.
Cool, and as I pointed out, good luck trying to take them up.
The Kansas City gang shootout during the Superbowl parade. That's what has sparked these threads again.
So you can't answer the question then...they have a higher suicide rate and cannot get firearms at all. So is it the guns causing people to kill themselves or something else?
Naa plenty do, it's a list of things that would have actual impact on our violence problem, and not just our gun violence. But a good number of you don't like meaningful discussion that doesn't involve, ban all guns, because you have such a ignorant view of them that you'd rather have them Dems spend the political capital on trying to pass another AWB than try and get even the most minor things on that list pushed through.
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