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Neo-Nazis march in Nashville, leave after being challenged
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So you're against freedom of speech?
Nazis are a blight on society, any time you give them a finger they take the whole arm, tattoo it full of swastikas and feed it to their ravenous dogs.
You don't need to be tolerant to the intolerant. They are the ones who broke the social contract by ascribing themselves to an ideology that is literally about genociding any group that doesn't conform to their view.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. No exceptions.
That last line got me banned from Reddit at one point LoL.
I got banned for saying 'punching nazis is a moral good', and so did everyone else in the building (IP ban).
That's a hilarious way to find out who in it was using Reddit.
Actually yes.
Because absolute Freedom of Speech is absolutely stupid.
No country should allow you cry fire at a crowded event without consequences because of free speech.
No country should allow you to lie in court without consequences because of free speech.
No country should allow you to make death threats without consequences because of free speech.
No country should allow you to tell lies in verbal or written contract because of free speech
Because there are certain rules our society is build upon.
Freedom of Speech is a right granted to you by the democratic society and framework of laws. Those intentionally leaving the implicit agreements of democratic society or established law behind (and literal nazis qualify) should lose protection of the same.
I used to be a very strong proponent of freedom of speech, but after seeing what that has been used for and the damage it has done I fully agree that limits are necessary.
That said I'm approaching the problem from a different angle. I think you absolutely have a right to say whatever you want, but there's an equivalent right that other people don't have to be subjected to what you have to say. To further expand on that idea people must be informed about the content of what you're saying. You're perfectly within your right for instance to insist that the world is flat, but before talking about that in public people need to be informed that you're about to go off on a fringe theory that has literal centuries of evidence that runs counter to it and that if they don't want to hear it they need to leave now.
In online spaces this problem becomes easier to handle, just apply content warnings, something like community notes, and hide the content by default until people opt into viewing it.
Edit: also we need to reevaluate this whole "corporations are people and have the exact same rights to freedom of speech" thing. I think we should generally be very accepting of a person's speech, but much more strict about a companies speech, especially commercial speech.
I just wanted to say that this is very well said.
I'm against nazis
Not for folks who openly advocate against it themselves.
The rights of a democracy ought not be permitted to protect acts fully intended at undermining the democratic rights of the people.
Nazis arent people
Encouraging an explicitly genocidal political movement is not protected free speech, similar to how a person can be charged with a crime for threatening someones life.
Nazis are literally trying to take the free speech away from others
nazis don't deserve any freedoms at all.
There is no middle ground between genocide and peace.
Who else do we know that wants to imprison people simply because of their beliefs?
Now, before you accuse me of “bootlicking,” or “sympathizing,” know that I find Nazis to be among the most abhorrent people that have ever existed- but I also also recognize that simply having a belief- regardless of how shitty it is- should never be a punishable offense.
Lest we become what we hate in others.
Sorry no, there is a clear line between 'people I don't like', with 'people who talk of genocide'.
Cool. You are exactly what you hate. And to me, just as bad as they are. You don’t get to play by THEIR rules just because you believe they are wrong…. .
You play by THE rules because you know you ARE right.
Keep defending nazis, I'm sure it will work out for you.
Point out the part where I did that.
*gestures at your entire comment chain*
Ahhh. Okay. You have no examples of anything I said, so you try and make a trollish gesture.
Fair enough. Thanks for playing. We’re done here.
What is your end goal here? To waste my time?
Pathetic.
To point out that believing that someone deserves to have no freedom because they believe differently than you makes you more like them then you think.
Do better.
rights are a fiction, and I have no tolerance for nazis
Rights are a fiction? I’ll bet the Nazis believe the same thing.
I bet they believe people need to breathe oxygen.
I'm still not going to tolerate them in my town.