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Obviously I can understand why mysoginists are hated upon, As their belief is all women are trash or men are superior etc. But why are incels also generally hated upon? They are lacking in a way that makes them unable to gey in a relationship, but that shouldn't necessarily mean they are mysoginists, right?

What am I missing here? I haven't ever had a relationship with a woman, but I don't hate all women either. I just consider myself unlucky. Does that make me an incel?

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[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

The term "involuntary" means that they're not chosing to be single or sexless, but that forces outside of their control is causing it. But something has to cause it, and it's the attitude that women have that they usually blame. The problem is that their own issues are what cause the celibacy, of which they refuse to change. It's a lot easier for most people to but the blame outside of their control.

[-] BaardFigur@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

I'm not trying to say that everyone who identify as an incel doesn't have a chance. What I will however say is that the dating market can be very harsh, especially for men, and especially those that doesn't look the best. I'm not personally an incel, but I know how tough the dating market has been for me. And I know how much worse it can be for others. Some might even go a lifetime, without even finding a single person, despite trying their best. And it's nobodys fault. Nobody owes anyone their love or affection Yes, there are things you can do, that might help. But you cannot get away from the fact that people are dealt very different cards.

Btw, when Im referring to incel I'm not talking about those lurking on incel forums and hating women But to those that genuinely doesn't have much of a shot, while genuinely not being that bad of a person

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 0 points 9 months ago

What I will however say is that the dating market can be very harsh, especially for men, and especially those that doesn’t look the best.

This has come up a few times but I'm going to pick this one to reply to. Looks aren't zero important, but your actual body is far less important than grooming, dress, posture, and other related things that are far easier to change.

Related, have you seen how men act? Like ask a woman-who-dates-men friend what it's like on tinder. The bar is on the floor my dudes. With some bare minimum treating the other person like a person, being sincere and present, you're so far above the average.

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