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Generative AI’s environmental costs are soaring — and mostly secret
(www.nature.com)
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Yes, again, I have heard the "we shouldn't do anything about an ecological disaster because something else will come along that will be bad too" argument before. It doesn't wash.
Please demonstrate that to be true. Unless it's a lie. Is it a lie?
Last week you were advocating in favor of mobs burning self-driving cars if they were "pissed off" by them. You banned AI-generated art from the @tenforward community you mod. You seem pretty firmly anti-AI to me.
That is a scurrilous misrepresentation of what I said I said and has nothing to do with AI. Irrelevant and ironic for someone who criticized me for making personal attacks.
I am not the only mod. It was a group decision because AI in that specific community is both lazy and, more importantly, gets Star Trek wrong virtually every time.
So neither of those things are evidence and one is essentially both a personal attack and a lie. Come to think of it, both of them are essentially lies since you made it sound like the banning was a unilateral decision rather than a decision reached after a lot of discussion between a team of moderators.
But hey, do as you say, not as you do, right?
You... you literally asked for this. Your previous commented ended with "Please demonstrate that to be true." You asked for it to be demonstrated, so I demonstrated, and now you're angry that I did so.
The thread was here if anyone wants to look at the full context. Archive.is link.
I'm rapidly losing track. Are you now against bringing up what people do in other threads and communities when you argue with them?
Ah, you mean the thread where I explicitly said they were a PUBLIC MENACE and not just because people were pissed off? As you can see right in your link?
And just like this time, you were making personal attacks by lying about what I said to make me look bad. Except this time you did it in a really silly way.
Is it a lie? That's just what I infer from you being completely dismissive that AI could be worth it, or that a cleaner power source could be found, or that the same silicon dedicated to another purpose would be just as damaging to the environment.
And look, it's fine to hate AI if you do, but that makes this whole conversation about wasting water pointless if solving the problem through either better technology or perhaps proving it's a more efficient use of water if it accomplishes enough work. Why would anyone put any effort into addressing those issues if they aren't what really bothers you about AI? I could've done something more productive with my time.
And none of this is personal, by the way. We don't see eye to eye on AI, but I agree with probably 90% of what you post and disagreeing here doesn't make me respect you any less as a person. I haven't downvoted anything you've said. But if we're going to discuss the issue I'd like it to be fruitful which isn't possible if aren't discussing the actual issue.
And if we are, then why so dismissive about solving the energy issue more broadly in a way that actually saves water regardless of what those compute cycles are spent on? Because the trend is that energy usage will continue to rise regardless of AI, so what you are arguing you want isn't going to achieve the outcome you desire. So instead of a pointless gesture, let's find an actual solution because it isn't actually AI that's to blame here.
Yes it is.
Apart from when you decided to lie about me instead of asking what I thought.
I'd call this pretty damn personal-
And also a lie.
Let's see if you will admit that it was both a personal attack and a lie.
I don't hold out much hope.