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I understand when people speak about the ethical problems with eating meat, but I think they do not apply to fish.

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[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 months ago

I said no such thing. I said the supposed ethical problems with eating animals referenced by OP are not ones I think apply to most animals, and so it is ethical to eat them.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 2 points 9 months ago

What "supposed" ethical problems are you referring to that you're hand waving away then? That farm animals are cute? How about overfishing, destruction of marine environments, bycatch, pollution caused by and left in the sea by fishing, evidence that fish feel pain and that some are proven to have more complex intelligence than other animals.

[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 months ago

All of the above.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago

So because eating fish has ethical problems it's ethical to eat them?

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee -1 points 9 months ago

Very well thought out.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 0 points 9 months ago

Thanks, it's difficult to have a discussion with people when they won't actually engage in a discussion.

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

Very well thought out.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 0 points 9 months ago

Thanks again, your compliments mean so much to me.

[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -3 points 9 months ago

I do not believe there are any ethical problems to eating fish, or most other animals used for meat.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago

That's not really how ethical problems work. They are supposed to define why we should or shouldn't do something. Even saying "nah dawg, fish tasty" would be more reasoning than you've provided.

[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago

You've not provided any reasons sufficient for me to consider eating fish or meat unethical. The issues you mentioned are ones I consider morally irrelevant to the ethical nature of eating these animals, and so I reject the claim that it is unethical.

That is precisely how ethics works.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago

So, you consider it ethical to bycatch, fish species to extinction, destroy marine environments and pollute the ocean freely despite there being ample alternatives to receive the nutrients you can get from fish? Please explain how these are irrelevant. Unless you personally catch each of your fish?

[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago

I said no such thing. None of that has any bearing on whether it is ethical to eat fish.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks again for the thorough explanation of why you believe all of these related ethical issues are not related.

[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago

You're the one claiming they are, and you've failed to provide any support. The burden of proof is on you to show that it is unethical. A claim which is asserted without support can be dismissed just as easily.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago

Sure, yeah, claim like "yeah it's ethical to eat fish" with no reasoning behind it despite much prompting. You're basically claiming the that either the points I've mentioned are not things that happen, or that they are totally ethical to do. So I'm not going to waste my time.

[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I am merely rejecting your claims that it is unethical, as you haven't provided any grounds to support it.

I never claimed either that the points you mentioned do not happen or that they are ethical to do. I said they are irrelevant to the question of whether it is ethical to eat fish and meat.

[-] Guntrigger@feddit.ch 1 points 9 months ago

Yawn

[-] LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works -1 points 9 months ago

Very well thought out.

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