Why do you think they do not apply?

Some reasons why I think they apply:

• fish are animals
• industrial fishing is destroying the oceans and sea life (way more is killed than what ends up sold and eventually maybe eaten)
• international waters are a lawless playground for every abuse imaginable

I eat fish so I am not playing the guilt game, they're just the ethical considerations I can think of.

I disagree. The two main arguments against eating land animals are 1) cruelty and deprivation of life and 2) effect on the planet.

Both of these apply. Commercial fishing uses inhumane killing methods and fish are actually quite intelligent.

Overfishing is completely destroying the ocean ecosystems and will even have a knock-on effect on land ecosystems eg salmon in rivers normally transfer masses of nutrients to land and trees via bears etc.

In a global ecological sense, it is worse to eat fish than pork, we are sucking the seas dry, we have known it for decades, and invented new methods to do it more efficiently.

With land animals you can see the conditions and the effect of over production, with fish you don't, and we keep at it.

Grown fish is less bad, but still contribute to pollution of the seas.

Trawling should be banned globally for a minimum of 50 years.

Was that particular fish a dick?

They are certainly a lot of issues with eating fish. Maybe not the same as factory farmed land animals. More along the lines of extinction of species and the destruction of ecosystems. It's worth looking into if it's something you are concerned with. There's also indirect cruelty to more intelligent species like dolphins.

Fishing is industrialized too, so that can be a problem, specifically with the aquatic ecosystem. For vegans, fish still have a central nervous system so they are deemed undesireable. I still would eat fish because of health reasons, though.

What about eating meat is ethical or unethical and how does that apply or not apply to eating fish?

All I can say is I truly embrace the fact that I'm a human and an omnivore. I don't deny there are ethical horrors with the way animals are raised for slaughter, it's quite disgusting in fact. But I ALSO can't deny that I love eating meat off the bone - chicken wings, spare ribs, steak, you name it. When I'm eating meat I'm very happy indeed. And I don't try to pretend I can justify it as somehow OK with regard to how the animals are slaughtered.

I'm a walking contradiction in many regards. I don't try to reconcile my love of meat with my love of animals. I have both, and they sometimes are in conflict. I eat all kinds of things, veggies and grains and all kinds of stuff, but my primary love is meat. I don't deny it, and I don't justify it. It is what it is, and so am I.

On a simple level I'd say it depends on the brain structure so it'd vary by fish species even. Though as others have said, things like living conditions and overfishing are ethical issues nonetheless.

Though I just wanted to post this silly video, Would You Eat a Fish if it had Arms and Legs? by Mattias Pilhede. Mirror link

Depends on the perspective being considered:

Are fish sentient? Yes.

Are they very sentient, with lots of free-will? No.

Does our current industry's completely-gutting the marine food-chain have global consequences? Yes.

How are we doing with respect to keeping that food-chain alive? Terrible: any species that becomes our industrial prey, gets reduced to 10% of its normal population within 1 decade.

Cod used to live to be about 80y old, ttbomk, now they live to be 8, or less.

The smashing of the coral-forests they breed in, at the bottom of the ocean, with dragger-nets ( falsely called "rock hoppers" ), means the cod-fishery collapsed & stayed collapsed, and all fisheries are "managed" like that, by lobbying to protect industrial-ignorance.

Accountability won't ever happen, because industry/money won't tolerate that.

There's a ScientificallyTestablePrediction in the Christian bible, in Rev, that both terrestrial & marine food-chains collapse ( at the time of the "3rd Seal" ).

That is going to happen this century, no matter what political/religious rabies goes rampaging where.

All the political & religious & food-insecurity & ClimatePunctuation wars that we must enact in order to "manage" our unconscious-minds' stress/fear/panic, and all of the nihilist malicious-actors ( China cyaniding other country's seas, because those other countries are not breaking & obeying China, in recent news )..

Morality is contextual.

Personal-context can say 1 thing, or another, global context can be quite different.

Buddha said that eating the flesh of another's life was faulty because they never consented to be butchered/consumed, and that is true.

I can't remember what other reasons were given, that one stuck on me.

I don't eat any meat, or that aweful "Beyond Meat" or "Impossible Meat" stuff, because I can't then reach the meditations I'm using to rip my continuum out from this world's ideology-driven death-spasms, and remaining in this world, now, is indulging in being ground-to-hamburger, in my eyes.

I want out.

Eating meat of any kind blocks me from progressing on that through the meditations, exactly as the ancient rishis of India said.

That tested to be true.

You have to live with yourself, not with my conscience.

You decide on your own morality: you have to live with it.

I've never bothered learning the "precepts" or any of the other stuff of AwakeSoulism/Buddhism: I care about results, not about dogma.

What tests to be true, that is worth relying-on, for me.

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"It's okay to eat fish 'cause they don't have any feelings." - Nirvana

My entire ethical framework for what animals are ok to eat is wether or not it's cute.

I say eat them.

People's opinions will differ, and most people's won't be changed. Instead of a discussion, it will be people yelling at each other until they both leave angry.

Personally, I think it's not ethical to eat any meat, whether that is white, red, wet, or otherwise.
Other people have, and will, think it is ethical to eat all meat, including other humans.