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went to my first protest today :33 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

submitted 10 months ago by riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

No, they aren't. You must be disruptive, which isn't peaceful.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How can you be non-violent and not peaceful at the same time…? lmfao. They mean the exact same thing.

[-] BigWheelPowerBrakeSlider@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Hmm I see what the dictionaries are saying but (using an example from above) I think argument exists that:

If me and my fellow protestors block a road, we are being non-violent, but we are not being peaceful.

But it's Friday and no time for argument!

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

What’s not peaceful about blocking a road?

The argument falls apart when you ask for the difference lol.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago

Peaceful: freedom from disturbance; tranquility.

It is a disturbance to the system, and it isn't tranquil. They are not synonyms. Non-violent means you aren't hurting anyone, peaceful means you aren't disturbing anything. You can't be violent and peaceful but you can be non-violent and non-peaceful. Peace is sufficient but not necessary for non-violence.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Literally the next definition after that one….

not involving war or violence.

SYNONYMS…

Peaceful literally means non-violent…. Literally defines the bloody term lmfao.

[-] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

One definition of peaceful is synonymous, and one isn't. This is exactly why language has so many synonyms, each one is sliiiightly different. Choosing one intentionally instead of another is important.

In this instance, "peace" is being defined (not directly, but through context) as status quo, going about your day unhindered. "Violence" is being defined as causing direct physical harm to a person, and possibly property depending on who you ask.

With these definitions laid out, it's easy enough to see a situation that is not violent (no one got hurt at all) and also not peaceful (some people's days were interrupted) - one person mentioned blocking a road. This is a FANTASTIC example of non-peaceful non-violent protest. No one likes a pedant.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No one likes a pedant.

Goes on a bloviated pedantic rant…

Yep, just like the people trying to say blocking a road isn’t peaceful. They are trying to pedantically choose a definition to make a point. Blocking a road is absolutely peaceful, trying to explain it any other way would be to be pendantic. Lmfao.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

the next definition

So, overlapping meanings, not synonyms

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

They are both, one is defined by other, AND they are synonyms.

Isn’t language fucked up?

[-] BigWheelPowerBrakeSlider@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I see a lot of other people have responded with examples and argument.

So I'll disagree and say the argument falls apart when I don't argue. (Cause it's Friday. You ain't got no job. You ain't got shit to do. I'm gonna get you high today.)

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Disruptive doesn't mean violent, but it isn't peaceful.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Peaceful and non-violent mean the exact same thing…

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

They do not.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Skydiving isn't peaceful, but it certainly isn't violent.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

What’s not peaceful about skydiving…?

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I'd go with the wind, noise, speed, and imminent possiblity of death.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

wind, noise, speed.

So going for a drive wouldn’t be peaceful either…?

imminent possiblity of death.

So… driving again? Or riding a motor bike? Not peaceful…? Strange perspective to have…

Strange example to try and use lol.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Go ahead, take a nice bath, read a book, or do some origami while skydiving, or driving at 200mph with the top down.

Strange example to try and use lol.

You know what is peaceful? Take a hike.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Getting chased by bears is peaceful..? Getting attacked by wasps is peaceful…?

Anything can be twisted one way or the other dude lol.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

You're making petty, empty, semantic "arguments" and you know it.

Also, whoosh.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You started…

And I knew that, lmfao hence why I gave you the same stupid bull shit.

This is what my argument is.

not involving war or violence.

"there were no violent incidents reported and it was a peaceful protest"

You can’t be non-violent without also being peaceful…

So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Ah, so if someone catches a charge for disturbing the peace, then they must have been violent?

So yeah skydiving is actually peaceful by definition, no matter which pedantic argument EITHER of us use.

1st definition of peaceful. adjective

free from disturbance; tranquil.
"everything was so quiet and peaceful in the early morning"
synonyms: tranquil, calm, restful, pleasant, quiet, still, relaxing, soothing, sleepy, silent, soundless, hushed, noiseless, undisturbed, untroubled, private, secluded, solitary, isolated, serene, composed, placid, at peace, at rest, at ease, in repose, reposeful, unworried, unruffled, anxiety-free, content, blissful, secure

You are factually wrong on this statement.

[-] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The term is “causing a disturbance” they avoid that term for a very good reason.

You understand a word can mean multiple things… yeah…?

There is no first definition, just multiple, they aren’t ranked, other dictionaries have the one I put first. So what point do you think that was making?