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just stop using plastic
To governments:
Plastic tax.
EU Directive 2019/904
Funnily enough that directive talks about sustainability, reduction of single use plastics and whatnot. And connected bottle cap is there as a stop gap measure to prevent ocean pollution. But manufacturers stuck to that as be all end all solution. The rest of the directive be damned.
I haven't looked too much into the research behind this, but personally, I haven't noticed loose bottle caps as a huge issue. Actually, I notice more whole bottles thrown out, with caps on them, and this is even in a country where you get money for returning bottles! Not to mention plastic fast food cup caps!
My city is awesome and recently decided to just stop recycling glass. You know, because we love plastic and why would we want to reward companies who use glass, the much easier thing to reuse and recycle.
Snap!
It's very hard to have glass in single-stream recycling. Glass inevitably shatters and gets mixed with tiny bits of paper making it worse than new glass and really increases the work required for the whole recycling process. It's great to recycle in a dual-stream system, but if you can put your glass and paper in the same bin, it's about as difficult to recycle as plastic is.
Why would they? There's no financial reason for them to do so. Whatever they do, you are to blame for consuming. It's not them wrapping everything in plastic it's you who didn't recycle. Screw the fact there is no recycling containers around where you live.
It’s also not practical at all. Plastic is amazing for food handling due to the way it forms airtight seals so easily.
Lol too true
Imagine a system where for each bottle produced but not recycled, plant has to pay 1000$ fine. And just let them recycle any bottle to get rid of the fine. Companies would cut each other's throats to recycle as much as possible. I could imagine big shots investing huge amounts of money into recycling so they can hurt other manufacturers. Many would switch to glass to become untouchable, but that would only mean those who still use plastic would have to try even harder to offset their production. Am assuming problem would be solved within a year.
What would you suggest they use instead?
Right? What other possible materials could they use? Prior to plastic, we just cupped our hands and had people pour beverages into them, or directly into our mouths.
Plastics have been revolutionary in keeping our hands and faces from getting sticky. I, for one, refuse to go back to the days of sucking off the tap.
What other materials? Aluminium cans, glass bottles, or the bleached skulls of thine enemies!
Coca Cola used to use glass bottles, it is a material that is completely recyclable. Why change it?
Because recycling glass is more expensive than not recycling plastic.
Plastic is recycleable aswell. In Finland like 98% of plastic bottles are returned to the stores and new bottles are made of them. Glass is heavy and fragile and I don't remember ever seeing a glass bottle that's bigger than half litre or one that you can put the cap back on.
Glass is infinitely recyclable though, plastic deteriorates regularly overtime
Except PET from plastics bottles which is the only common plastic that is fully depolymerizable/ repolymerizable, instead of simply being remeltable.
Glass weight quite a lot which might make them worse for their transport 🤷
It's also obviously more expensive for everyone.
Not to worry. One can cork their bottle for all the sanitary and convenience benefits of keeping a variety of corks lying around and definitely not breeding bacteria in them.
Replaceable caps definitely exist, they are common on glass soft drink bottles where I am. They look just like the plastic lids but in thin sheet metal, complete with perforations and ring.
Some of the screwtop beer bottle style reseal pretty well too.
Better than recyclable, glass is reusable.
You can just send the bottle back to the factory, the factory washes it and refill it.
Sucking off the tap in winter when the water is crisp af is amazing.
Glass bottles are fun, I remember when beer mostly came in glass bottles. Glass shards everywhere and the metal caps being everywhere. Such a nice solution.
There are a few things they could try. You can get biodegradable bottles, you could use glass or metal, there are cardboard bottles and silicon and even ceramic.
You could also change the way we buy these drinks from bottles we buy and throw away to containers we keep and refill from dispensers. The infrastructure isn't there for it, but with the amount of money the major drinks companies make its not unreasonable to assume they could afford to implement it.
And arguing that these alternatives are not practical is a wasted effort because an alternative IS needed to stop mass plastic waste and protect the environment so we need to get used to the bar being set at a different height.
If you mean biodegradable plastic then you should look into it, its micro plastic mixed with a biodegradable fibre so end result is we're still left with micro plastic.
but every other suggestion is top tier!
I love glass and choose it over plastic every time, but there is the argument that using glass causes more CO2 emissions because of the extra weight.
You mean the thing EU is about to do right now?
I believe so, yes.
Glass bottles with pop tops
Or cans...
Cans are better but still use a plastic coating of sorts to line the inside
Seems like that's a very commonly known fact since it's been repeated ad nauseum. What seems to be completely missed is that compared to plastic bottles is something like 95% less plastic (probably even less actually). Also the liner can be easily separated from the metal when it's time to recycling the can while during the meltdown process.
Yeah I made the comment before seeing all those. Which is why I deleted it shortly after posting it. Is it still showing up?
It may or may not... Federation being the bitch that it can be. Also, doesn't help I'm an admin of my instance, so things tend to still show up anyway because "moderation".
Also the comment was in the email notification I get regardless.
But it looks deleted on my instance at this point. Still worth addressing the other points that I brought up. Reduction of plastic by 90+% is still a very very useful thing, especially when it doesn't particularly... or at worse minimally... hinder recovery of the metal materials during recycling.
Edit: Just like veganism... mandating people to eat no meat doesn't need to be the end result... If everyone just changed out a couple of meat meals a week with vegetarian options. Collectively we can make a MASSIVE difference.
But in this case cans being so common anyway... This is massively worse because that just means bottles are fucking useless from the get-go. My house buys cans whenever possible. (honestly we mostly drink just water anyway.)
Yeah I don’t disagree, cans would be better than bottles. I just wanted to point out that plastic is ubiquitous and shows up in a lot of places you don’t expect. It’s extremely difficult to completely eliminate it. I’m not arguing that progress toward that goal is pointless, just that the goalpost is a lot further away than you might expect.
Hollowed tree trunk
Hey it's that simple, just stop using plastic. Lol