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[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 71 points 8 months ago

Stupid cosmetic designs have been an issue for a long time. There was a theater fire in Chicago in the early 1900's where a bunch of people died because they couldn't figure out how to use the fancy door handles while panicking and being crushed by everyone trying to get out. That's the reason why exit doors on buildings with a high occupancy are now required to swing out, and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you're just falling on it.

If it's possible that someone will need to use something while panicking, it needs to be as simple, intuitive, and failproof as possible

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wanted to chime in and clarify, the major issue there is you cannot operate a door handle in a crush, no matter how much of your senses you have. Can't use a door handle if you can't use your arms. Am drunk on the internet and hope this isn't interpreted as a hostile reply.

[-] Adramis@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But isn't the point of crash bar locks that just the act of being crushed against the door will force it open? The only thing you have to do to open it is push on it or be pushed into it. Of course that won't help you when you fall as the door swings open and get trampled, but it's better than everyone burning to death.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago
[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 23 points 8 months ago

If it's possible

It's always "possible". In fact, it's inevitable that an accident or emergency will happen. They happen every day. It's clearly Tesla's fault for having terrible controls but what else is new?

That's why we have dedicated first responders instead of just fire hoses everywhere. Many fires can be stopped with just some baking soda or a wet towel, but non-professionals can't be trusted to act rationally in that situation.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I’d hope that this would institute federal rules for vehicle egress and drive controls. Even if it’s only because a Richie died.

Jeep was forced to recall their confusing shifters after one crushed that actor in his driveway.

But I can also see Elon being a fucking snowflake about it and trying to whine his way out of spending any inflated investor money fixing this problem.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

… and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you're just falling on it.

Crash bars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_bar

[-] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

It wasn't that they didn't know how to use the door handles. It was that the doors opened inward.

There were also ornamental doors that were an issue, but those weren't actually doors, so it wasn't that the victims couldn't figure out how to use the handles, it's that the "doors" weren't really doors. They were walls.

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