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[-] Thann@lemmy.ml 195 points 8 months ago

Don't forget the fancy electric door handles that stop working when you back into a pond.

There are emergency override handles, but not everyone knows where they are or how to use them, so they're not all that useful in an emergency.

These deadly features are purely cosmetic, so I would lay a decent amount of blame is on tesla

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 71 points 8 months ago

Stupid cosmetic designs have been an issue for a long time. There was a theater fire in Chicago in the early 1900's where a bunch of people died because they couldn't figure out how to use the fancy door handles while panicking and being crushed by everyone trying to get out. That's the reason why exit doors on buildings with a high occupancy are now required to swing out, and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you're just falling on it.

If it's possible that someone will need to use something while panicking, it needs to be as simple, intuitive, and failproof as possible

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Wanted to chime in and clarify, the major issue there is you cannot operate a door handle in a crush, no matter how much of your senses you have. Can't use a door handle if you can't use your arms. Am drunk on the internet and hope this isn't interpreted as a hostile reply.

[-] Adramis@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But isn't the point of crash bar locks that just the act of being crushed against the door will force it open? The only thing you have to do to open it is push on it or be pushed into it. Of course that won't help you when you fall as the door swings open and get trampled, but it's better than everyone burning to death.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago
[-] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 23 points 8 months ago

If it's possible

It's always "possible". In fact, it's inevitable that an accident or emergency will happen. They happen every day. It's clearly Tesla's fault for having terrible controls but what else is new?

That's why we have dedicated first responders instead of just fire hoses everywhere. Many fires can be stopped with just some baking soda or a wet towel, but non-professionals can't be trusted to act rationally in that situation.

[-] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I’d hope that this would institute federal rules for vehicle egress and drive controls. Even if it’s only because a Richie died.

Jeep was forced to recall their confusing shifters after one crushed that actor in his driveway.

But I can also see Elon being a fucking snowflake about it and trying to whine his way out of spending any inflated investor money fixing this problem.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

… and have those pushbar locks that allow the door to open even if you're just falling on it.

Crash bars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_bar

[-] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 1 points 8 months ago

It wasn't that they didn't know how to use the door handles. It was that the doors opened inward.

There were also ornamental doors that were an issue, but those weren't actually doors, so it wasn't that the victims couldn't figure out how to use the handles, it's that the "doors" weren't really doors. They were walls.

[-] MashedPotatoJeff@lemmy.world 56 points 8 months ago

If I had my way, regulations would require a physical connection for all door handles, and not just that a secondary physical release be available. I don't know how you would go about finding injuries associated with each design as a layperson, but I bet there's a death or two associated with each novel design.

An old man roasted in his Cadillac XLR because the battery was dead and he didn't know where the secondary release was. I think it's under the seat on that car. I don't care how cool that electronic door release was, or if the old man was negligent in not knowing his exits; it wasn't worth his life.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago

And let's not forget that there are people who have flexibility issues that can't reach under their seat in an emergency.

[-] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 8 months ago

Or might have gained injuries during the accident preventing them from reaching.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

This is why I liked driving the newer Army vehicles or well cared for Humvees. Everything was labeled. Anything important to not hit accidentally had a safety cover. And anything not obvious like an out of sight fire extinguisher has a high visibility sign pointing to it from your normal field of view.

Fuck fashion, give me cars that are comfortable and safe.

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

I love how they made the emergency door release a multi step process, which on some models recommended a flat head screwdriver or in others only is for the front doors.

[-] elbarto777@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

A flat-head screwdriver for an emergency door O_o

How do these cars pass regulations?

[-] Thann@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

When you regulate yourself, it's easy to pass

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

The only regulations we have is that we're not allowed to implement European safety features.

An exaggeration, but damn does it feel that way.

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

This would be at least the second time this "feature" has been tied to dying horribly.

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The front driver and passenger emergency handles are so intuitively placed that every Tesla owner has to warn all their passengers not to use them.

The back is another story entirely if they even have them, but the front are fine.

Edit: I will grant people might forget after not using them for years in a moment of panic. But they know.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

I thought you couldn't open normal doors underwater anyway due to water pressure so the recommendation is to kick out your windshield. Do newer cars have doors that open more easily underwater?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I do have to find these but ….

  • you don’t need the mechanical backup if you open the door immediately
  • mechanical backup can’t help with unequal pressure while you’re sinking
  • who the heck would think of that while underwater in a car full of water?

IMO, the real answers are:

  1. Train people to open windows when they go into the water and expect to swim out. There ought to be power long enough to do this
  2. Make sure there is a window breaker securely mounted someplace obvious

I don’t know if I’d do any better in a panic, but I really ought to get window breakers for all my family’s cars

this post was submitted on 10 Mar 2024
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