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It's very hard for me to wrap my head around the DPRK, PRC, Vietnam, Cuba, etc., being more democratic and free than the U.S. (hexbear.net)

submitted 8 months ago by allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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I’m not skeptical per se. I’ve just been propagandized so fucking much—I grew up watching those propagandocumentaries on the National Geographic Channel about the DPRK, etc., fr that was what I watched instead of cartoons lol.

Pretend I’m a lib who you’re trying to convince, or something. In addition to calming this feeling in my gut like something isn’t making sense, I want to be able to make this argument, myself.

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[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 54 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The DPRK and Cuba get special mention for being under siege, they literally don't have the luxury of complete openness or whatever because that's how you get the CIA creeping in and doing a Pinochet. Their revolutions have to be defended and the US is more than happy to demonize those defensive measures while neglecting to mention its own role in necessitating those measures.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

because that's how you get the CIA creeping in and doing a Pinochet.

That's not really how the CIA did a Pinochet though

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

Could you clarify a bit on that, please? From my own reading Chile wasn't really all that different than any other country in The Jakarta Method and NephewAlphaBravo wasn't saying anything too specific? Or are you just speaking more to the US military's involvement against Cuba and DPRK?

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

I'd welcome it too tbh, that was just a probably-muddled explanation of my own realization that "of course the empire is going to paint all attempts to keep them out as authoritarianism, why wouldn't it?"