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I'm not aware of anyone here that says Trump was "good" on foreign policy. The critique is that he's a substantially less effective steward of the imperial machine and even does accidental propaganda work against it.
Which, of course, is untrue.
That would be an unpopular opinion among most people here, "of course".
Who cares what the popular opinion here is? It’s wrong lmao
The point is in the air quotes, as parent was (and is) being condescending and escalatory rather than engage in a comradely way. My hope was that by pointing out they were being condescending to more than just myself might give them pause and to change the way they were interacting. As you can see, that strategy of mine didn't work lol.
Your question is about relevance, and I actually agree. That was actually my point in its own less direct way. My grandparent reply was to say they were mischaracterizing a sentiment but the response didn't actually address that, so I drew attention to the misdirection. I think I was unclear about that being the point, though.
Then ask every single Hexbearer what they think and come back to me if you want instead of speaking for everyone.
Of course.
Do you think these are reasonable responses to the things I'm saying?
Yes. You're literally speaking for the 26k users on Hexbear.
Nobody really thinks that, like a MAGA communist might say, Trump is somehow "less dangerous" or whatever. Or "at least he's honest" or "reveals the dreck of U.S. imperialism."
He's done more to radicalize people to the ultra-right than most U.S. Presidents.
The idea that Trump was a less competent imperialist is very popular here. You are straw manning this to mean, "every person who has every registered an account here agrees with me". Do you think this is a reasonable way to approach what I've disagreed with you about?
Can you state, in your own words, what points I've made?
Another thing:
I'm asking you to ask 26k users on Hexbear what they think and do some sort of poll before acting like your opinion or viewpoint is the most popular.
Yes, which would be a very silly thing to do and is premised on straw manning what I said. I already directly responded to this, too.
I think Trump was a less competent imperialist
"Can you state, in your own words, what points I've made?"
Okay, you know what? If you're going to keep editing your comments like this after I reply in order to make it look like I'm not answering your other points then, no, I'm not going to bother.
Stop adding things to your comments like that.
I didn't edit my comment... I think that's verifiable in Lemmy's metadata and edit status at least used to show up on the web interface before I began using native mobile clients.
"The idea that Trump was a less competent imperialist is very popular here."
You don't know that.
Ask the 26k people on Hexbear what they think, each one, or don't bother trying to convince me.
Did you notice that you didn't answer my question?
Did you notice that I said I wasn't going to reply after you tried to pull that trick?
There was no trick...
I suppose I am guilty of disagreeing with you, but why this itself warrants a condemnation is unclear.
I'm happy to not continue this particular thread but that does require your participation as well. Throwing barbs on your way out and suggesting I don't respond is not reasonable.
26k users lmao. 26k accounts, of which 90% are dead or banned, and the remaining 10% include tons of alts and duplicates. There's probably like 2000 active users on this site.
I gotta know, how many bans do you have under your belt?
simply don't cop bans
Untrue to what degree though? One of his biggest scandals was attempting to refuse military aid to Ukraine in an effort to get dirt on Biden. Ultimately ineffective, but his attempted actions in this scenario prove the point.
He then refocused more efforts on attacking and isolating China head-on, hence the DPRK ordeal.