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[-] CindyTheSkull@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

You're the one who said:

socialism fundamentally requires centralized control, and I don't trust centralized control.

What did you mean when you said that? There is no way in which socialism "requires" anything like this that capitalism also doesn't require in terms of controlling the population. At least in socialism the population has control over the population rather than a small elite class (the bourgeoisie aka capitalist class aka owning class) as in capitalism. If you are talking about a planned economy, then again, capitalism does this too and you need look no further than fucking amazon as an example. The economy is just planned around gaining more capital for a small class instead of actually serving the needs of people as in socialism.

Finally,

I don't trust society not to deliberately appoint a tyrannical megalomaniac: I've seen them do it entirely too often.

No, you haven't. You've been told that happened as a means of propaganda to make sure you and everyone like you (people not part of the owning class) think exactly what you do now think "ooooooh noes scary socialism always turns ebil dictatortotship!" Show us what socialist societies (AES) "appointed a tyrannical megalomaniac" and we'll show you a load a bullshit that has been force-fed to the people of a capitalist society ruled by the real tyrannical megalomaniacs: the capitalist class.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

No, you haven't

I didn't say socialism appoints them. I said society. Socialism is not a prophylaxis against society fucking itself over by declaring itself subject to a tyrant.

[-] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

With socialism comes the first mass state and genuine rule by the majority. You can't just generalize "society" as having a tendency of "fucking itself over" when this "society" is ruled by completely different classes depending on the level of development of the productive forces.

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