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On Wednesday, the Republican Study Committee, of which some three-quarters of House Republicans are members, released its 2025 budget entitled “Fiscal Sanity to Save America.” Tucked away in the 180-page austerity manifesto is a block of text concerned with a crucial priority for the party: ensuring children aren’t being fed at school.

Eight states offer all students, regardless of household income, free school meals — and more states are trending in the direction. But while people across the country move to feed school children, congressional Republicans are looking to stop the cause.

Republicans however view the universal version of the policy as fundamentally wasteful. The “school lunch and breakfast programs are subject to widespread fraud and abuse,” reads the RSC’s proposed yearly budget, quoting a report from the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank. The Cato report blames people who may “improperly” redeem free lunches, even if they are technically above the income cutoff levels. The “fraudulence” the think tank is concerned about is not some shadowy cabals of teachers systematically stealing from the school lunch money pot: It’s students who are being fed, even if their parents technically make too much to benefit from the program. In other words, Republicans’ opposition to the program is based on the assumption that people being “wrongly” fed at school is tantamount to abusive waste.

Not to be confused as completely frugal, the Republicans call to finish construction of border wall projects proposed by former President Donald Trump. And not to be confused as focused, the budget includes the word “woke” 37 times.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

quoting a report from the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank

As a libertarian, the Cato Institute has a lot of nonsense, and this is one of them.

Here's my take: if we require students to be in school during certain hours, the school should be obligated to provide everything they need, from supplies to meals. It's the same idea as with prisons, if we, as a society, decide that certain individuals need to be locked up, they should have their needs provided for. Same thing if we detain someone at custom for hours or whatever.

On the flipside, there should be a way to opt-out for parents who don't want the school-provided lunches. There are plenty of parents who think school lunches are unhealthy, so perhaps there's an argument that they should get some kind of cash card to help pay for home-provided meals that's equivalent to the cost to make the school lunch (like $2-3/lunch). That sounds kind of complicated, so I obviously wouldn't lead with that, but maybe it'll resolve some people's concerns.

If we want to save money (and I think we should), we should shut down a few of our foreign military bases and end federal student loan programs. Those are a lot more expensive than school lunches...

[-] Robert7301201@slrpnk.net 6 points 8 months ago

I see a big problem with the opt-out being abusive parents could pocket the money without feeding the child.

Money isn't the only barrier to food security.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Sure, and perhaps parents opting out would put a big target on their back for CPS and similar services.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 8 months ago

That seems way more complicated, error-prone, and expensive than just letting the kids have lunch without paying.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm suggesting exactly that. Kids should have lunch without paying.

If there's pushback, I'd suggest an opt-out program where parents get the value of the lunch to help pay for an alternative. If they fail to provide an adequate lunch consistently, they get charged with abuse.

But the default would be kids getting lunch without having to pay anything.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 2 points 8 months ago

Running the opt out program would be much more complicated and expensive than just not doing that. It's a lot of work for barely any gain.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Yup, probably. But sometimes extra costs are needed for a program to be equitable.

If the lunches really suck, more people will opt out and they'll need to fix the lunches. If the lunches are good, few people will opt out. If someone has dietary needs the lunch system doesn't meet, they shouldn't be required to pay for lunches they won't use.

I doubt a significant number of people will opt out, especially if the lunch system provides a decent variety to account for peoples' various dietary needs. However, I think it's a valid concern, and parents should be empowered to opt out without taking on much extra cost.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If someone has dietary needs the lunch system doesn’t meet, they shouldn’t be required to pay for lunches they won’t use.

This is looking at it wrong. Everyone in the society pays for lunches. Even people without kids. "I don't want to spend my money on other people" is anti social and counter productive.

Really there's no such thing as 'my' money. Anyone only has anything because the rest of us let it be.

Though thinking about the bulk of what you're saying, the system would need to account for like "I have a restrictive diet". I don't think an opt out program would be a great solution though. Don't want a lot of bureaucracy around that. Don't want to let people opt out and pocket the money. Probably a mechanism where parents and students can report preferences and needs, and the menu is adjusted accordingly.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The opt out system doesn't need to be complicated and would be way simpler than the current free lunch system. Here's how it could work:

  1. Go to office and request an exemption (or file online)
  2. Receive reloadable gift card that receives $X/school day (completely automated); school id is updated (needed for dietary restrictions anyway)
  3. If teachers notice your child isn't getting lunches consistently (maybe a three strikes/year system), your exemption is revoked and CPS is notified

That's not a lot of bureaucracy, so it really shouldn't add a lot of cost. This is probably enough to get opponents on-board.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 months ago

I concede it might be possible to make the opt out system comparably simple as you describe, though I still think a system without exceptions is simpler than one with. Unfortunately, I don't think either of us are in a position to work on a project like this.

Thanks for staying polite. Good chat.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Same to you.

And yeah, my state is probably going to fall in line here because they're ridiculous. We just reduced our tax rate by 0.1%, which impacted almost nobody, but probably would've been enough to pay for lunches for every kid in the state (with my back if the napkin math), and probably a bit more.

Maybe I'll run for office. IDK.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

You drastically overestimate how effective and well-funded CPS is.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

Perhaps it should be better funded. Protecting kids should be out first priority.

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