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Why would ukrainian involvement suprise you? They are at war, stuff like this tends to happen. Do you think the entirety of the ukrainian military is morally flawless?
On the contrary, I am a firm believer that war can’t be fought without one bending and bashing one’s morals… with that said, they never asked for this and I am not defending a heinous act of attacking innocent civilians, just the peddling of unverified crap.
True, but this post is just an image drawn in a silly style. Hard to take it seriously.
I have no reason to doubt the validity, but as of writing this I also have no reason to believe it. It would be nice to see something from AP, NPR, or something like that.
I admit I have not looked.
Lol you have no reason to believe it because the very news sources you want have done nothing but toe the US government's line of supporting Ukraine, everything is fine in Ukraine, Russia bad (Russia has been bad since the goddamn 90s after the USSR fell), everything Russia says is a lie and should never be believed.
Ah yes, the famously non-ideological and trustworthy AP and NPR.
I notice you provide critique but no alternative. Could you name better sources? Ones which adhere to highest journalistic standards? It would benefit us all and have the added affect of proliferating better information.
In addition, could you elaborate on which journalistic standards do you find AP and NPR to be lacking? I welcome critique of anything that I support, because through critique and discussion is how one finds what stands up under scrutiny. So please, apply your critiques freely. If my trust is misplaced, I will change my view.
The criticism is that the AP and NPR even more platently are not Journalism but blatant propaganda. They do not care about the Crtique as they just shout at it and hope it hides
Can you show me an example of a propaganda article? I haven't heard anyone share this type of opinion about either source before so I'm definitely curious what I have been missing. I usually browse either website for updates on what's going on in the world.
But I'd definitely change my view if you can show me a few examples of propaganda articles. I feel like I'm missing something but open to learning.
You're not getting it are you?
Every piece of news that comes out of the West is propaganda. Propaganda so you keep believing that capitalism is good, the West is good, to the point you can't even tell what is or isn't propaganda.
The fact of the matter is, they are gonna want you to maintain these thoughts about Russia being bad, they just "invaded unprovoked", because if people discover that they've been lied to this entire time they'd be pissed off and never believe anything they had to say again.
Well. The sensible ones.
I guess I'm not getting it, but I am sincerely trying.
To your elaborarion, I think that the cracks have been forming in unregulated capitalism for a long time, and I agree that there is a neoliberal tilt in even the most well-meaning of journalism. It took me a very long time to see it because it (capitalism) was the background to everything. Only when I started exploring philosophy and economics did I understand that there were alternative ways of life.
I appreciate your replies because I agree with you more than I realized. The good news is that I also believe the upcoming generation sees the flaws in capitalism as well, and they're as sick of it as we are.
I don't follow your meaning on the Russia stuff, but appreciate your time and effort. I'll give your words more thought.
Appreciate the good faith response, it's not very common that we get people in here who are actually willing to learn, most of them act extremely smug while pretending to know what they're talking about and it gets extremely irritating.
We don't usually see the cracks because the propaganda machine is so strong, stronger than the average person like you and I realize. We didn't wake up being able to see these problems, it took a very long time and process to understand that the US isn't what it seems.
Hopefully stick around for a bit and learn some more from the many instances here, we're always open to potential comrades willing to open their minds and cleanse themselves of a lifetime of capitalist propaganda.
I don't need to provide an alternative to point out that something is bad. I don't need to follow the hyper-liberal norms and practices that you're so fond of on sites like reddit, it simply is not a requirement.
It's a strange twist of logic you have that no one can have an viewpoint counter to yours without providing you an alternative to your liking. Grow the fuck up and learn how to be critical of news sources, or at least how to find sources critical of them. If you're so good at reading and research and understanding it really should not be an obstacle for you.
You come into this thread high and mighty about your (self-perceived) knowledge and wisdom only to spout ignorant nonesense in reply after reply and then cry when people call you out on it. Intellectually, you are a coward; emotionally, you are a child.
Here's my counter tl;dr for your reddit-brain: Get fucked.