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Very much disagree. It seems you're suggesting that the fallout from another Trump presidency will lead to better long term results than a second Biden presidency?
What happens to Ukraine after you stick it to the man and support Trump? Nobody is learning the lesson you want them to. You're supporting a dictatorship through cynicism. You can be mad at more than one group. DNC could be doing more. Biden could be doing more. Normal voters acting like helping a literal traitor back into office is the better alternative could be doing better.
Like it or not (I don't), we are stuck with the two choices. Helping the guy who literally says he wants to be a dictator is illogical in every context. If you actually care, volunteer in local elections and donate to candidates that support your views, help create a strong next generation of progressive democrat candidates.
I'm saying:
as long as progressives vote "blue no matter who" party leaders won't stop moving right.
Primaries have continued to be less open ever since Obama beat Clinton in 08.
Obama flipped lots of red states that general.
We all saw how effective that was. But party leaders don't want that type of candidate. So they pulled him to the right, gave him a conservate friendly Dem as VP, and as of 2024, started cancelling Dem primaries if it's an earlier state that votes progressive.
I don't think they'll ever cancel my states primary tho, in fact even when Bernie refuses to drop early the DNC always says the primary is over before my state gets to vote.
The DNC doesn't give a single fuck about me. If they were legit trying to win and help when they get in office it would be different.
But they're just not doing enough.
So tell me.
What's your suggestion to make them listen to their base instead of chasing voters who have never voted D and just straight ticket vote R?
Split ticket voting. Local elections, local primaries, down ballot votes. We need a generational shift in party leadership. Party leaders generally start as smaller/more local candidates. If you have a strong roster of "up and coming" progressives winning primaries and elections those progressives get more power and sway in the party as they win bigger offices.
I think it would send largely the same message you want without the global harm to have Biden stuck with a Republican legislature. They are still bad, but Trump is the cult leader and the actual danger.
But the party acts against them in primaries and AIPAC will put ridiculous money against them that their constituents will never be able to match, and they don't take shady PAC money to make up for it.
And in the House, there's so many seats in rural areas where even 20k to a PAC can but the election.
We've been trying that, and it's still not working fast enough.
The water is still rising and our lifeboat is still sinking.
And supporting Trump is like lighting the rest of the ship on fire so people will start paying attention to the problem.
Whose supporting trump?
The people not voting against Trump.
So the only option is the one that doesn't work?
And this is America, thanks to the electoral college, most of our votes don't really matter
Biden isn't winning my state even if I vote super hard for him. Voting for him accomplishes nothing for me or even Biden. But, if I don't vote for him (and still vote down ballot). There's a chance the DNC recognizes they need good candidates.
I'm not saying it will work, I'm saying there's a chance
And before you say "vote in the primary in 2028!". My state hasn't even held the 2024 primary yet...
So how can I communicate to the DNC?
I tried to take a survey from the DSCC the other day, turned out to be a fake survey that just pressured me to do ate money.
The DNC literally doesn't care about what voters want, they dont even want people saying it out loud because it hurts their chosen pick
How is that democracy to you?
It's better than republicans, but still not good enough. And it'll never change if we keep blindly voting D no matter what.
Unless you have a better plan
There is no plan in a democracy that resulted in "people do what I want to do." You could try a coup.
There are things you can do outside the ballot box. Unionize your workplace. (Or your apartment building, or your student body) create or join mutual aid societies. Volunteer for local organizations. Create and support power centers outside the government.
The political parties won't listen to singular people. Even billionaires, for all their wealth and power, struggle to get what they want from government in a timely manner.
Creating power centers like unions outside of the government creates a lever of power that can move things in the future.
Electoral politics is a game of inches. Refusing to play just cedes a few more inches to the opposition.