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Can "n't " and " + [pronoun]" be used with any verb? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works to c/english@lemmy.ca
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When I first learnt English, I thought this type of formulation only worked with a few verbs like "do", "have","should" (ex: "Should I do this? No, I shouldn't.")

More recently I also encountered "Need I?" and "needn't", tho they're more rarely used. But this got me wondering, is it still an exceptional construction, with "need" being one of the exceptions, or can it be done with every verbs? For example, are the following sentences correct:

  • Read you mangas? No, I readn't them.
  • Grow they potatoes? No, they grown't these.
  • Sounds it like a good idea? No, it soundsn't.

I know talking like this would raise a few eyebrows, but does it break any established rule?

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[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

I think it's customary to only use it with certain verbs, mainly ones that are also helping verbs (do, can, should, will). And all the sentences you use as examples can be rewritten to use do, e.g. "No, I don't read them."

Will becomes won't for its contraction, but you would never hear it used when it's not a helping verb, e.g. "The psychokinetics will the object to move" word never become "The psychokinetics won't the object to move" because that's not where the not word be in the sentence, whereas "The psychokinetic will move the object with her mind" readily is negated to "The psychokinetic won't move..." because that's the normal place for a not in the sentence.

"Need to" is almost a helping verb sometimes when it acts like must, like "I need to wash my hands" -> "I needn't wash my hands" Or the more common "I don't need to wash my hands"

[-] ProstheticBrain@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

It's not clear if you did this intentionally or not but the "will" used in your example "The psychokinetics will the object to move" is not the same kind of "will" used in your other examples, it's this one meaning "to create using the power of your mind".

It's a bit of a nitpick but I thought it worth mentioning as OP seems to be trying to learn.

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 2 points 7 months ago

It was intentional, to point out a use that's not a helping verb.

[-] ProstheticBrain@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ah ok fair enough, I just found it confusing because the two have the same spelling but completely different meanings and uses.

In the first context it's kind of synonymous with "wish" right? So implying that anyone would replace the will (as in willpower/willed etc) with "won't" in that example is a bit confusing, because that would never happen. In the same way you'd never replace "wish" with "won't".

Edit: just wanted to say I have zero education in this area, I'm just a native speaker, but I love reading these threads when they come up as it helps me understand more about the language too.

[-] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Thank you that's a good explanation!

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