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Disclaimer; I'm never going to watch or read the rest of Attack on Titan. I think it's a gross, misanthropic story. So if I'm completely wrong about the conclusion let me know n the comments

Since "media literacy" and "How could you say my blorbo is a fascist?" are constant and inescapable on the net, I was once again drawn in to the "Is AoT fascist?" discourse.

I stopped watching AoT during the first season because it's a story of a bunch of valiant heroes grimly marching to their deaths in a war of annihilation against a teeming swarm of sub-humans who exist for no other purpose than to crush the light of civilization in an orgy of mindless violence.

Which is to say, the straightest possible portrayal of the fascist world view.

But many in the discourse argue that this isn't fair, the author clearly shows that the protagonist is the bad guy, people are dumb and media illiterate. Well, I don't want to watch four seasons of gorn just to weigh in on weird anime discourse, so let's just look at a summary of the conclusion of the story.

Let's see... minority with tainted blood who once ruled the world with an iron fist gains control over superweapons and immediately uses them to exterminate all of pure blooded humanity, even though he didn't have to, as human history is a zero-sum clash of civilizations in which there is no possible alternative but an inevitable war of annihilation between those of pure blood and those of tainted blood. Also apparently ~~The Jews~~ The Marleyan Royal Family secretly set the whole thing in motion.

No fascism detected! What a relief! It's a good thing the author expressed his view that racial war of annihilation is the only possible conclusion to the inevitable clash of civilizations! I was afraid he'd look directly at the camera and say "Everything that Hitler believed is correct and I have written a story reflecting that".

Like, seriously, the story starts with the ~~Jews~~ Eldians engaged in an auto-cannibalistic war of annihilation, and the story ends with the protagonist, once noble and heroic, revealing his true ~~Jewish~~ Eldian nature by annihilating humanity for basically no reason. "Eren is the bad guy!" Yeah no shit, that's exactly what the author said; The Jew cannot overcome his nature and will inevitably destroy the world no matter what. He set up a story where we sympathize with the hero, and then in the end the hero is shown to have inevitably turned in to a monster as the power of his tainted blood leads him to destroy real humans. It's Race Realism: The Motion Picture

Or maybe I'm totally wrong. idk, because I don't want to watch 40 hours of miserably nihilist murder porn written by someone who pretty obviously hates humanity.

Final thought; Isayama is Zach Snyder if Zach Snyder hated humanity.

For my next trick I will explain why Fullmetal Alchemist; Brotherhood is apologia for the crimes of Imperial Japan

Edit: I have observed that a lot of people are assessing AoT's message based on what the characters say or do. I was recently introduced to the idea of "Diegetic Essentialism", an emerging, often unconscious, belief among many people that media can only assessed within the context of the story, with the characters treated as though they were real people instead of puppets of the authors. Thus, "Isayama depicted all sides as miserable fascists" is considered important, rather than examining the world the author created and what that says about the author's beliefs about humanity and life.

Here's the post that introduced me to Diegetic Essentialism. From our buds over at /r/Sigmarxism, of course. I'd been struggling to articulate something I saw for a long time and this gave me a name for what I had seen.

https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/r/Sigmarxism/comments/11wt3kp/the_plague_of_diegetic_essentialism_or_how_i/

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[-] MorelaakIsBack@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

wait until we get "is jujutsu kaisen fascist" discourse in a few years (spoilers: eyup, that's a fascism)

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

Well it's already at "eugenics is required to defeat curses" and "every other nation but japan has few people with enough ~~inbreeding~~ spiritual power to become sorcerers" so I can't say I'm surprised.

[-] Moss@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Nah bad take. It's pretty clear in the text that Geto's plan to eliminate curses was wrong and just driven by his hatred of non-sorcerors, and also there are also other ways to get rid of curses, like getting rid of cursed energy or teaching everyone to control their cursed energy. Also sorcerers are most common in Japan because of Tengen's barrier, not because Japanese people are special.

There are also good queer characters, a lot of anti-conservatism and some anti-capitalist messages.

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Sukuna has been disproving Eugenics for the past 3 months in the manga.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

Adding that to my "didn't watch, dodged a bullet" anime list.

[-] Gorb@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It has nice animation but otherwise very boring. First season felt like a slog, definitely dodged a bullet

[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

a show: has all the best parts of naruto, bleach, and hunter x hunter mixed together

nerds: this show is fascist

p.s. btw nerds the only shitty part about it is that the author fridged Kugisaki Nobara and it's really ambiguous whether it's permanent or not.

y'all'd give 10000 upvotes for this scene and you can eat my ass if you lie and say otherwise

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

shows can be fascist in some ways and based in others. unfortunately, fascism is the anime curse

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[-] Moss@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Not anymore than like any other superhero thing imo. Yeah it sucks but it's more of an indictment of the genre

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Heh, I watched a leftist youtube essay on it a couple months back. The narrator's takeaway was a lot of anti-capitalist, anti-conservative themes.

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