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Let’s be honest…. Probably less expensive and just as effective as a tomohawk.
A Tomahawk goes about 4 times faster, but it seems it doesn't matter if your enemy is incompetent.
Your comment made me go do the math and a TCM is, in fact, between 3.5 and 4 times faster than the fuel efficiency speed of a Cessna 206.
Kudos to you good Person.
And kudos to you for reporting that, so we all learn something new.
No, a Tomahawk is really only a little faster than a Cessna
/s
Surely the speed of the tomahawk depends on how hard you throw it?
African or European Cessna?
How many coconuts did it carry?
You mean an Indigenous Peoples Hatchet Missle?
Yes, although I believe they are incompatible with the First Nations Attack Helicopter.
It shouldn't be, though. The Russian military should have shot it down long before it got to the target.
Ukrainians probably counted on the precedent
What a wild and spotted life that guy lives
I knew about him landing the plane. Didn't know that he stabbed a girl almost to death because she wasn't interested in him.
Just one of those things you do growing up
Anywhere can be a bathroom if you're brave enough
Perhaps? I worry about this tactic being used in the US against targets. For all anyone knows, they’re a plane that just lost communication.
I mean, that kinda already happened
Yes, but not using much smaller, easily rented or more accessibly purchased planes.
The world isn't very safe when you start getting creative.
Inspirational af.
Get this printed as a motivational poster and sell it.
But in that case fighter jets here are usually scrambled and if they don’t see anyone in the cockpit, they shoot the damn thing down
They had this eventuality covered !
Bad time for the pilot to be in the bathroom.
I don't think most Cessnas have bathrooms.
They have windows...
If you're peeing out the window, you're still in plain view of the intercept fighters.
The openable part of the window on a Cessna is tiny and high up. There’s no way anyone could contort like that plus it’s likely to come back at you.
I can see opening the door, but you’d likely need a copilot: I don’t know if a simple autopilot could handle that configuration
Probably best to put a camp toilet in the back seat and then just toss the bag out the window then.
Plus then they’d have the opportunity to pee bomb various parts of Russia! You’d get volunteers lining up, drinking tons of water before the flight
And thats when you put down your mask, give hand signals saying radios out, and then veer the plane into the fighter jet and shoot it up with the machine gun!
This concept was in season 2 of Slow Horses.
I’ve never heard of this show. I might have to check it out!
It’s fantastic and so is Gary Oldman.
Used by whom? An actual military will need more than a handful of light aircraft to topple the USA and domestic terrorists just use semi-automatic firearms because they're quicker, cheaper, easier and lower risk.
Rigging up a plane to be flown remotely is a non-trivial amount of specialised work and you still need to know how to fly a plane when you're done.
Crashing it into something without an explosive payload has been done and it killed 2 people, one of whom was the guy in the plane. They'll never win the approval of their far-right Discord buddies with numbers like that.
Filling it with explosives isn't easy either since they don't have a death cult that insists anyone should be able to buy them for any reason. Start buying up enough to take down a building and you'll have feds knocking on your door in days (if you don't accidentally blow yourself up first).
There are far more dangerous things to worry about than an imaginary plane.
Crashing planes into things has killed way more than 2 people.
9/11 comes to mind.
Do you really want me to publicly explain to you the difference between a small Cessna and a Boeing 737?
Do you really want to publicly ignore 9/11 as an incident in which “an airplane was flown into things”?
Considering that most small Cessna’s have between 3-500 pounds of full fuel load, and more if you strip out all the stuff for pilots and passengers, and provided military grade high explosives, you’ve got enough to do the same kind of damage as the Oklahoma City bombing (which was a 5000 pound anfo bomb in the back of a rider truck.)
Sure, let's do it since I'm now genuinely curious what's going on inside your head. Is your reading comprehension that dogshit or did you ignore all that context because you genuinely thought "airplane did 9/11" was going to get you crowned "smartest person in the room"? Maybe you're lashing out because I pointed out that the overwhelming majority of domestic terrorists just carry out attacks with their legal firearms? Let's find out together.
The headline and article specifically mention that a light aircraft was used. Everybody in every comment until you arrived is talking about Cessna style aircrafts with a maximum takeoff weight around 7,700kg, not a passenger jet with a takeoff weight around 200,000kg.
The person I replied to said they were "worried about this tactic being used in the US against targets". It doesn't look like you felt the urge you frothily exclaim "WHAT ABOUT 9/11???" at him, so I guess at that point you hadn't yet decided we were talking about massive passenger jets.
In my comment, I specifically mentioned that filling a Cessna with remote control gear and high explosives is a non-trivial task, making it an extremely unlikely plan for a terrorist and without those things, the damage may not be fatal to anyone but the pilot.
Then you burst in with your pants already pissed. "What if they just casually load it up with 500 pounds of military explosives they ordered off Amazon? It could do as much damage as a bomb that was 10 times larger and used materials that are closely monitored!"
But fuck, if we're going for baseless hypotheticals that ignore both the "size of plane" and "no explosives" caveats, why stop there? What if a racist teenager fills an A380 with nuclear warheads and crashes it into New York? Think about how wrong I'd be then -- since for some reason, that's important to you.
Who said they lost communication.
The Ukrainians installed a whole remote piloting system, it does not seem too difficult to control the radio remotely too.
No, I’m saying that’s why you don’t just shoot down a plane. For all you know it’s a civilian, an oligarch who funds your evil deeds with a pilot’s license, or someone from a NATO country who lost communication capabilities in the aircraft. It could be risky to just shoot something down randomly.
Maybe that one reason they took a cessna less suspect so less chance to get shot down ?
Original plans called for a Boeing, but Ukraine knows better than the FAA.
The Boeing would drop its payloads with the wrong timing
As another commenter said
This is the equivalent of wrapping ping pong balls in tin foil, putting a lighter underneath for a few seconds, and suddenly effective smoke bombs.
Edit: Yes, you can try this at home. But outside and obviously don't rip the fumes like a bong.
You forgot the part where the smoke bombs were able to travel a vast distance undetected after you threw them at a low speed.
I feel like that's easy enough to fix with flint and some kindling/match heads.