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Iran has struck Israel.

previous preambleThe continuing fall of the remains of the British Empire is pretty entertaining from the outside: an archaic royal family that is seemingly being smote with disease by God itself for their past crimes; a navy that virtually no longer functions, ramming into foreign ports and under constant repair; and an economy that cannot seem to stop sputtering, fucked whether they're in the EU or outside it. Watching the impacts on people from the inside is a little more worrying, though.

A fifth of the population is in poverty, including nearly a third of all children. These figures have barely shifted since the Labour government in the early 2000s, aside from a decreasing poverty rate for pensioners. Actually, poverty hasn't substantially shifted since Margaret Thatcher. Before her, the poverty rate was around 14%, but her catastrophic policies caused a major increase, and poverty levels since then are still 50% higher than over 50 years ago, because neoliberal economic policy since then has not fundamentally changed. Parties and corporations have impoverished the usual vulnerable groups, such as large families, minority ethnic groups (including half of Pakistani and Bangladeshi households!) and disabled people. These differences are also regional, with the North more impoverished than the richer Southeast (but some of the poorest boroughs are in London, so it's a complex pattern).

With Corbyn's defeat in 2019 mere months before the pandemic began, the Labour Party shifted back towards the right, with left-wingers purged from the party if they did not kowtow to Keir Starmer. This leaves us with a situation where the only substantial difference between the two parties would be on social policy, but it goes without saying that economic policy is the overwhelming factor that determines if minorities can have a decent life. Worker-oriented movements since then have been largely not under the umbrella of major party leaderships, such as the Don't Pay movement in late 2022 that arose in the wake of dramatically rising energy prices where 3 million people vowed to not pay them (which did lead to results).

Most notably recently is the major upset in the constituency of Rochdale - the victory of George Galloway - who is the leader of the Workers Party of Britain, which describes itself as both socialist and socially conservative. This took place both in the context of aforementioned economic troubles, as well as anger over Israel's genocide of Gaza in the British population, especially in British Muslims. It remains to be seen how much of this is an isolated event, especially as Corbyn has, understandably, refused to collaborate with Galloway due to his socially conservative stances. The UK general election will be held at some point within the next 9 months or so, and might well be a shitshow depending on what happens domestically and geopolitically before then; parallels to the current American electoral shitshow with increasing anger over Biden are pretty apparent. The Conservatives are quite likely to lose given 14 years of uninspired rule if current polling is correct, but it truly is a race to the bottom.


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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 102 points 8 months ago

US trade representative says China's economy is a system “that we’ve articulated as being not market-based, as being fundamentally nurtured differently, against which a market-based system like ours is going to have trouble competing against and surviving”.

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 61 points 8 months ago

Reminds me of when Vicky 3 got released and everyone complained about how centralized economies were too OP lol

[-] flan@hexbear.net 47 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It makes complete sense. How can an kind-of-darwinian-but-confounded-by-misaligned-incentives system compete with a command economy that leverages the latest technology and appears to be radically adaptible to new conditions because its direction is centrally managed?

Yes perhaps 100 years ago before the invention of microprocessors that can do trillions or quadrillions of mathematical operations per second and glass fiber network infrastructure that can carry terabits per second of data it was "better" to have a million monkeys and a few really greedy monkeys hacking away at their typewriters but times have changed.

“Unless we figure out a different way to defend the way our economies work, we know what’s going to happen,” she said, “and it’s going to have significantly damaging economic and political outcomes for our systems”.

Yeah let's defend the shit, inefficient way of doing it instead of adopting the obviously better model. What a smart idea. Of course the west's attempt to do it would be so marred by corruption we'd just end up with Fascism 2 straight out of Mussolini's "corporatism".

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 48 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yep. The socialist calculation debate is over. We won. I happen to think the Austrians did have a point back back in like the 1920s. You can read all about how much Lenin et al struggled with central planning. I actually think full central planning was maybe possible before the 1920s and then after the 1970s or so. But there’s that 50 year window where you had highly complex economies but not the appropriate computing power to match that complexity for planning purposes.

Alan Cotrell wrote Towards a New Socialism in the early 90s and showed conclusively how there was plenty of computing power available at that time for central planning. Now consider how much more power computers are now versus back then, without anywhere that much an increase in economic complexity.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

I happen to think the Austrians did have a point back back in like the 1920s. You can read all about how much Lenin et al struggled with central planning.

I think that there were two problems there, both of which I believe we solvable. The first was that the allocation of capital required some decentralized "anarchy" through a form of incentivocracy. Lenin did the NEP for this, China did it WAYYY better, but I think it was totally achievable (except for The Caveat). The second was demand sourcing. Even during Lenin's time it was clear to many that demand sourcing needed to be decentralized, localized, and highly organic. Instead, attempts were made to predict demand through bureaucracy, which was never going to work. Several contemporaries of Lenin called it out, and proposed solutions, but it never happened, and honestly, likely because of The Caveat.

The Caveat is that Lenin never managed to get rid of the threat of reactionaries and revisionists. And he knew Stalin wasn't going to be able to it, either. And Stalin proved him right, and he also proved that the reactionaries and revisionists were the key problem through his failure. Despite all of his desperate purges, despite mobilizing the most impressive military defense in history, despite destroying 80% of the most advanced military ever fielded at that point and marching all the way to Berlin, despite all of the adoration that won him domestically, his immediate successor began the counter-revolution within months of taking office.

So, I think it was probably logistically possible for the USSR to have figured it out, but it wasn't politically possible, and the conditions that made it politically impossible are the exact same conditions that ultimately dismantled the USSR.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

To quote @420stalin69@hexbear.net:

Fast food chains are using algorithms to cooperatively fix prices

Hotel chains are using algorithms to cooperatively fix prices

Meat processors are using algorithms to cooperatively fix prices

Landlords are using algorithms to cooperatively coordinate rent increases

Amazon is using an algorithm to specifically coordinate cooperative price rises with Target

The current era of inflation is due to capitalist GOSPLANning.

If there was ever a time when we could hypothetically pretend that we were living in a free market (and any serious economist knows that we never did), that time is now unequivocally over. The benefits of economic planning are too juicy and efficient, and, ironically enough, the free hand of the market cannot resist planning. Both the US and China are "non-market systems," the US is just bitter that China is using planning to actually benefit the population and society at large, rather than make the easiest profit for the worst parasites in society.

[-] flan@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Centralization is so obviously more efficient of course it's being adopted in capitalism (same thing with the tendency for firms to merge and monopolies to develop) - unfortunately in these cases that benefit to efficiency just means making the rent seeking more efficient and nothing else.

But you're right, in my original reply I oversimplified and neglected the "capitalist GOSPLANing" as 420stalin69 put it

[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago

Some more quotes:

“I think what we see in terms of the challenge that we have from China is… the ability for our firms to be able to survive in competition with a very effective economic system,”

“Unless we figure out a different way to defend the way our economies work, we know what’s going to happen,” she said, “and it’s going to have significantly damaging economic and political outcomes for our systems”.

US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan criticised the “old assumption” held by previous administrations that “that markets always allocate capital productively and efficiently—no matter what our competitors did”.

Lmao, Jake Sullivan admitting markets are not actually efficient lol

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

That response actually surprised me. I was expecting them to blame it all on China “distorting market incentives” with huge subsidies but no, just straight up admitting that the socialist economy is drinking our milkshake.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 8 months ago

That's scary actually. That way lies National Socialism.

[-] CDommunist@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

Tankie Captain Sully 07

[-] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

When they talk about the fabled efficiency of capitalist production they always forget to ask themselves what is capitalism actually doing efficiently and is that a good thing.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

Oh my gooooooodddd i want this framed.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I have said many times that there is no way that the US can ever compete with China on industrial terms. It is suicidal to even attempt that.

Unfortunately the US imperialists have also realized this fact and are well aware that they still have the most destructive weapon in the world today: Wall Street finance capital. All their maneuvers (especially in foreign policy) over the past few years support this interpretation.

This is going to bring the world towards the brink of a world war. It’s incredibly dark from my perspective to be honest with you guys.

[-] super_mario_69@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

FUCK this is so good, god DAMN dude

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

“But in the name of oversimplified market efficiency, a large non-market economy had been integrated into the international economic order in a way that posed considerable challenges.”

My servant of capital you integrated them. You pushed them to join the WTO 24 years ago. You called it a triumphal moment. You assumed China was "destined" to open up their market to imperial exploitation (again) when they did so. But China knew your game the whole time and beat you at it deng-cowboy

Funny how as soon as "free trade" means America loses profitablity they immediately rip it up. This is a fundamental repudiation of liberal orthodoxy and history

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But in the name of oversimplified market efficiency,

"definitely not profits, no... we just feel aesthetically pleased when things are efficient"

[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

econ professors shidding and pissing

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