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unsure why we are surprised lol
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this post was submitted on 11 Apr 2024
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This isn't about diversity of opinion. I will happily talk to a tankie and explain why I think they are wrong, unless they're a toxic asshole in which case I will simply point out that fact. The problem is when tankies get in charge of forums they behave like toxic assholes, and then yeah, I think we should ditch that forum.
What's stopping you from blocking a particular instance? Why do you want to block it from me?
Nobody is blocking you from it. You can go find an instance that doesn't defederate. You can make an account with them. Literally nobody is stopping you.
If the admins of your instance agree it should be defederated and you disagree, then I guess that instance isn't a good fit for you.
This isn't like... a difficult concept, so I have to ask what it is about it that you're struggling with.
Ohh, the "no you!" H hit me in the feels!
If you can't even be bothered to write a coherent sentence then I have to say I'm not too concerned about what you have to say.
apparently they were manipulating votes, banned for it on my instance at least. i didn’t even know that was a thing, which makes all this defederation discourse so much more depressing !?
Oh wow... vote manipulation how? Like using alts or something else? How do you detect this? I am so curious now.
no clue of how. i just noticed a suspiciously symmetrical jump in the numbers and i reported it off a hunch. i wasn’t at all sure until my admin dm’d me to confirm i was right (i assume admins can see the IDs and times of votes and triangulate off that but that’s just a guess)
Super interesting, I've heard often you can catch cheaters more in the data than in the specific act. So do you mean that you just noticed the sudden +4 / -4 jump? If they all came from the same IP address then that would probably be enough, I guess.
yeah i just saw a good dozen or so comments across a few threads with a very obvious +6/-6 gotten within a few minutes where there had ben no votes before. im sure if you plot that data out compared to real activity it becomes pretty clear there’s something fishy. and an IP would certainly help too.
again no idea what kind of mod tools lemmy has this is all just conjecture on my part. but quite interesting!
Fascinating... this is what i feel this thread had happen. Some of these comment chains had tankies downvoted and sanity upvoted by 3+ margins that mysteriously flipped to 6 point margins the other way within only 3 hrs. And the sheer amount of comments on here ballooned as well. I know they follow some of us around. They can claim theyre arguing one thing or the other, but its always to spread FUD and push non-voting or third party voting in the states. Its all about fucking up our election to install our own shitty dictator before our demographics in the country shift so hard the gop never get a chance to take the oval office ever again.
If u point that out ahead of time, tho, they mass downvote u and act like ur a conspiracy theorist.
to be clear, it was just the one guy @Maeve@kbin.social from my knowledge. they were just arguing (badly) and presumably got fed up with the downvotes and wrangled in their alts.
i don’t see evidence that there is more than one individual doing vote manipulation in this post at this time. not saying it doesn’t happen, just speaking in fairness.
This is true, but how could one as not an admin see direct evidence? Im just saying what ive observed.
Maybe ur right that it is just one individual, but if so, then it means there are far more angry tankies/shills on here than in the opposite scenario im postulating exists. Not sure which would be more disheartening.
Actually looking at those mod logs it looks like a bunch of "davi" accounts across multiple instances. I guess it was just alts.
Likewise. Enjoy your day.