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Iran has struck Israel.

previous preambleThe continuing fall of the remains of the British Empire is pretty entertaining from the outside: an archaic royal family that is seemingly being smote with disease by God itself for their past crimes; a navy that virtually no longer functions, ramming into foreign ports and under constant repair; and an economy that cannot seem to stop sputtering, fucked whether they're in the EU or outside it. Watching the impacts on people from the inside is a little more worrying, though.

A fifth of the population is in poverty, including nearly a third of all children. These figures have barely shifted since the Labour government in the early 2000s, aside from a decreasing poverty rate for pensioners. Actually, poverty hasn't substantially shifted since Margaret Thatcher. Before her, the poverty rate was around 14%, but her catastrophic policies caused a major increase, and poverty levels since then are still 50% higher than over 50 years ago, because neoliberal economic policy since then has not fundamentally changed. Parties and corporations have impoverished the usual vulnerable groups, such as large families, minority ethnic groups (including half of Pakistani and Bangladeshi households!) and disabled people. These differences are also regional, with the North more impoverished than the richer Southeast (but some of the poorest boroughs are in London, so it's a complex pattern).

With Corbyn's defeat in 2019 mere months before the pandemic began, the Labour Party shifted back towards the right, with left-wingers purged from the party if they did not kowtow to Keir Starmer. This leaves us with a situation where the only substantial difference between the two parties would be on social policy, but it goes without saying that economic policy is the overwhelming factor that determines if minorities can have a decent life. Worker-oriented movements since then have been largely not under the umbrella of major party leaderships, such as the Don't Pay movement in late 2022 that arose in the wake of dramatically rising energy prices where 3 million people vowed to not pay them (which did lead to results).

Most notably recently is the major upset in the constituency of Rochdale - the victory of George Galloway - who is the leader of the Workers Party of Britain, which describes itself as both socialist and socially conservative. This took place both in the context of aforementioned economic troubles, as well as anger over Israel's genocide of Gaza in the British population, especially in British Muslims. It remains to be seen how much of this is an isolated event, especially as Corbyn has, understandably, refused to collaborate with Galloway due to his socially conservative stances. The UK general election will be held at some point within the next 9 months or so, and might well be a shitshow depending on what happens domestically and geopolitically before then; parallels to the current American electoral shitshow with increasing anger over Biden are pretty apparent. The Conservatives are quite likely to lose given 14 years of uninspired rule if current polling is correct, but it truly is a race to the bottom.


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[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 109 points 8 months ago

https://twitter.com/fadiquran/status/1779426300760850642

"On Iran’s strike:

At Stanford, I attended a masterclass on military strategy led by a person with decades of experience, including serving at the highest levels in the military and government.

One lesson he thought that I always remember was this:

He asked us:

“Say the US decided to attack Iraq with a new stealth jet it hadn’t used before that evaded all radars? The attack was a success. Was it strategic?”

Many in the class raised their hands to say “yes, it achieved its goal”. But the professor said: “It may not have been”.

Why?

“Because now your adversaries know your capabilities and it’s a matter of time before they find ways around them. If this attack could be done with conventional weapons, it’s better to keep your top weapons until you need them. Using them creates a disadvantage.”

My analysis is that the scale of Iran’s attack, the diversity of locations it targeted, and weapons it used, forced Israel to uncover the majority of anti-missile technologies the US and it have across the region.

The Iranians did not use any weapons Israel didn’t know it had, it just used a lot of them. But the Iranians likely now have almost a full map of what Israel’s missile defence system looks like, as well as where in Jordan and the Gulf the US has installations. It also knows how long it takes to prepare them, how Israeli society responds…etc

This is a huge strategic cost to Israel, while Arab regimes now are being blasted by their peoples, particularly the Jordanian monarchy, for not doing anything to protect Gazans but then going all out to protect Israel.

Crucially, Iran can now reverse engineer all the intel gathered from this attack to make a much more deadly one credible. While the US and Israel will have to re-design away from their current model which has been compromised. Its success in stopping this choreographed attack is thus still very costly.

Moreover, with the threat of a regional war that neither the US nor the Arab regimes want feeling nearer, it’s likely their pressure on Israel to back down will increase, making a ceasefire more feasible.

Anyone assuming this is just theatrics is missing the context of how militaries assess strategy versus tactics. Theatre is an important factor, but gathering intelligence of the “enemy’s” posture is more valuable, especially if one believes they’re in a long war of attrition.

Netanyahu and the Israel government prefer a quick hot and urgent war where they can pull in America. The Iranians prefer a longer war of attrition that bleeds Israel of its deterrence capabilities and makes it an ally for Arabs and the US that’s too costly to have.

Lastly, if you are a person who hates war, if you want peace, the best and only way to get there in the region is to support the Palestinian struggle for freedom, justice and dignity.

There is no sustainable peace possible as long as Palestinians live under an oppressive system of apartheid."

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 59 points 8 months ago

The zionist cope in the replies michael-laugh

"Israel will retaliate with a precision strike that will bring Iran to its knees!"

Absolutely detached from reality

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 56 points 8 months ago

Bang on. The intelligence aspect of what's been going on since the Russian SMO has been the most interesting aspect to analyze. How did Palestinian resistance fighters mount such a successful offensive AND such a successful defensive and how did the IOF fail to breach so many positions? How did the Russian SMO go from absolutely going to happen (USA) to not going to happen at all (Ukraine) to happening earlier than anyone expected? How did Russia do it with old gear, cheap gear, not revealing much in terms of significant tech, and knowing enough not to overextend to the degree that it has a larger military than before the SMO? How is Yemen successfully shutting down international shipping through the straight and how can the USA not stop it? When multiple very local conflicts emerged post Russian SMO, how did they get resolved so quickly, including the Wagner situation? How did the Niger situation emerge when it did, how did the French get surprised by it, how did the Palestinian resistance emerge so soon after that? Where are the supply chains and how is it the USA hasn't shut them down or even seemingly disrupted them?

The intelligence angle is THE angle in my opinion. It reveals a long history that I think most analysts have been missing. Chinese spy hunting seems to be a recent development. KGB spy hunting, however, was absolutely famous and incredibly effective. Militaries, especially intelligence groups, maintain communication lines between nation-states even when those nation-states don't have formal ties. Did the Sino-Soviet split disrupt intelligence ties, or only formal ties? Did the die-hard communists in the KGB feed China spy hunting capabilities? Is Putin, KGB trained, the only known head of state trained as a spy hunter against the West? Does that play into this?

We have to look at the intelligence angle. Sun Tzu wrote about it 1600 years ago. WW2 was the emergence of computerized intelligence in warfare. We'd be foolish not to be analyzing contemporary events through the lens of who knows what when, who knows who knows, and who knows who knows who knows.

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I had not considered that angle at all, that is a very good point. I understand why people are saying material damage isn't necessarily the most important part of this attack.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago

Over the next few days/weeks, any Iranian/allied observers will take careful note of any new supply lines coming into the interceptor sites too. Future attacks might spend some ordinance cratering some roads or warehouses that might have been storing interceptor missiles and maintenance supplies stored well away from the launchers themselves.

[-] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I’m curious as to whether Iran was able to deploy any ELINT capability last night. Obviously it’s too far from Iranian airspace, but could have they deployed an ELINT capable drone amongst the Shahed drone waves?

I ask, as there is the (admittedly unlikely) possibility for Elon to have enabled the funniest situation, given Starlink usage by Ukrainian drones:

Vice Adm. Brad Cooper, commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command in the Middle East, has stated that Starlink was used to connect unmanned aircraft, vessels and underwater vehicles operated by allied forces in a NATO exercise in Portugal. https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefield-tech/space/2023/02/14/musks-starlink-satellites-accelerating-development-of-drone-warfare/

Its most sophisticated drones are connected using Starlink, a system donated by Elon Musk that uses satellites in a low orbit to enable “high data rate” activities. “We use Starlink equipment and connect the drone team with our artillery team,” the officer said. https://archive.is/Hzftx

And….

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

If you know the enemy, and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles - Sun Tzu

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

He might have been a psycho but he knew his shit.

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