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Image is of Iranian missiles flying over the Knesset, the Israeli parliament building in Jerusalem.


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[-] fever@hexbear.net 65 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

An article published on ISNA in Farsi quotes a official saying:

  • First 70 fighters and then with addition of fighters from Cyprus, 103 fighters
  • 15 signal jamming aircrafts
  • Their own AWACS plus AWACS from UAE and KSA
  • 6 ships in Red Sea plus the six-layered anti-missile systems in KSA and UAE
  • All missile defense capabilities of Israel

... were used to intercept the Iranian and the Resistance's drones and missiles.

He then said:

  • Our intelligence reports had shown that Pentagon had accepted to lead the defense entirely
  • CENTCOM had designated 8 regions for their missile defense plan; Caucasus, Zagros, Turkiye, Persian Gulf, Red Sea and Mediterranean.
  • The Qatars advanced air defense systems were made fully available to them
  • 10 countries were working against us
  • The enemy had an advantage; they had became familiar with the Resistance's missile and drone systems during the al-Aqsa Flood operation, they knew all the weaknesses. But we weren't familiar with their advanced missile defense capabilities.
  • At first we were planning to strike six political, economical and military targets but at end we decided to only strike military targets because we just wanted to punish them.
  • OpSec didn't let the enemy know our main goal.
  • Way less drones were used than what media claims; drones which took 7 hours to reach their target. These drones triggered 5 of 8 regions that enemy had designated; 80 percent of which were engaged in east Jordan. The drones were 100% successful because non of them were sent to demolish anything but to force the Iron Dome and David's Sling to engage them.
  • After drones we launched missiles, 12 hypersonic missiles all of which hit their targets by the will of God.
  • Khaibar Shekan ballistic missile were used.
  • Cluster missiles challenged the second layer of the enemies air defense; each piece had to be engaged separately.
  • Other missiles had success rate of 75%.
  • We made sure the targets were hit by observing the satellites imagery, the cameras installed on the missiles and the local sources.
  • Only Israel were supposed to be punished in this operation but other countries that joined it got punished.
  • It shows the decency, dignity, humanity and greatness of our nation that we didn't target the Zionists' buildings.

(Read with grain of salt as always)

Edit: Source; full of typo hence not translation engine friendly.

[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago

it's really nothing short of miraculous that Iran was able to strike anything. the west must be terrified.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago

All ballistic missiles hit their targets, not a single interception. That's a 0% interception rate by Israel where it mattered. Israel is using the drone waves to pump up their percentage of success, but those were always meant as decoys to deplete air defenses anyway.

Iran didn't use any new missile or drone tech either, everything they used in this attack was their oldest stocks. The cruise missiles they used were very cheap older ones.

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago

Khaibar shekan is new it entered service 2 years ago.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

I stand corrected on the ballistics, and those were successful. From my understanding they used much older, cheaper variants for the cruise missiles and the drones.

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago

Yes. Those were meat shields any way, no need fo them to be fancy.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago

Nothing miraculous about it. This is what happens with years of planning and months of preparation... that isn't done by delusional fail children of NATO. What Nato calls "planning and preparation" the rest of the world calls "fantasizing and day dreaming."

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
  • Way less drones were used than what media claims; drones which took 7 hours to reach their target. These drones triggered 5 of 8 regions that enemy had designated; 80 percent of which were engaged in east Jordan. The drones were 100% successful because non of them were sent to demolish anything but to force the Iron Dome and David's Sling to engage them.
  • After drones we launched missiles, 12 hypersonic missiles all of which hit their targets by the will of God.

I suspected as much. Drones are slow and vulnerable in comparison. I wonder how much they even really needed to materially distract the "missile defense systems". But in any case I think it's unsurprising that they got shot down, and that they were expected to get shot down....whereas the (ballistic) missiles didn't even suffer a blip.

Other missiles had success rate of 75%.

Kind of surprised this was so low, TBH. I suspect that 25% failure rate wasn't just from interceptions. Probably includes stuff like not hitting right on-target, not doing enough damage to be counted as successfully meeting an objective, etc.

It's difficult to overstate how much "missile defense" seems to be over-hyped (according to every serious analysis that I have seen anyway, as distinguished from state and arms-manufacturer propaganda). It is essentially a failed technology, other than the marketing and propaganda value (ooh! fireworks in sky make us safe!...while, of course, diving for the bunker). It might actually be useful in some very specific circumstances where the defense system is right at the thing you are defending and can hit incoming missiles directly head-on and be effective even with a small deflection due to the specificity and isolation of the target, but it's nothing like the catch-all, "shoot down any missile in the sky" solution it's touted as. I suspect this contributes enormously to the "paper tiger" effect, as people are calling it: marketed as invulnerable, but in reality more of just a bunch of tough guy explosion-theater.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Lot of puffery in the piece, but he's broadly truthful, just exaggerating.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The whole mythos of the Iron Done is built on shooting down some of the crudest rockets to have been used in warefare in probably the last 40 years.

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